Hong-Kong Protests

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    Wait a minute. As far as I recall you were preaching how brutal HK authorities had been and insinuated that they were controlled by China.
    Do you have the courage to stick to your point?
     
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    Just one word aptly describes the action of certain elements: obfuscation.
     
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    Is condemnation of mob violence on an unarmed individual really something worth commenting or arguing over? It's a moot point; you're preaching to the choir by condemning this act.

    The original post included this video to insinuate that this was somehow an unprovoked attack on an innocent taxi driver who merely was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Which very well may have been the case. Nevertheless, it should be kept in mind that OP's premise is generally unfounded and that there are a bevy of "theories" as to what really transpired.

    The accusation that I had posted, however true or untrue that may be, is to illustrate that anyone can repost or "pass on" an unsubstantiated theory of events and use the footage to push his or her political agenda.
     
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    I honestly think leaders in Mainland wouldn't be interested in a major US-China conflict just for the sake of political future of HK. It's highly doubtful anyone in US establishment would want it as well. The right strategy might be quietly reduce the significance of Hong Kong to a level where it's not an issue of current proportions. Let the other cities take it over in all business and financial aspects as much and as soon as possible.
    Let's face the realty. HK glory days as business and financial hub are already numbered since the establishment of greater bay area connecting 9 regional cities, ready to take over Hong Kong as business hubs, even the financial component if possible. Shanghai is being groomed to be a future global financial hub. LSE turned down HKSE bid to take over. Instead, LSE would want to go with Shanghai bourse. British are practically saying screw with the judiciary independence of our own common law system, we'll go with money. These protests would only speed up the process of hollowing out of Hong Kong, thereby considerably reducing the degree of Hong Kong's possible domino effect over Mainland. Mainland has offered Mainland born HK permanent residents to relocate back to China with an option of choosing any city they like with full hukou benefits starting Oct 1. Incentives for business communities to relocate to Shenzen or even Zhuhai is quietly ongoing. What is left is the financial community which will sooner or later slowly move out to Singapore or even Shenzen where Ping An and China Merchant already are. Things are not simply working out as it used to be before.
    Those kids have hedged with the wrong bet. They should have tried to move out of Hong Kong over to Shenzen, or should have tried to integrate themselves in the larger regional business hubs. Hong Kong as it is has no future for them to grow. These protests wouldn't go anywhere as one of their main demands is off the table, ie one person one vote. That's the red line Hong Kong cannot cross. The rest is just sort it out among yourselves.
    Current Hong Kong leadership selection model drawn by Mainland is closely based on DNC and RNC where the committees decide who should be on the ballot box. And it's not one person one vote that counts, it's the electoral college that decides who is the winner. Hillary won something like 3 millions more popular votes and she still lost the election. What a democracy! They should have done their due diligence before burning the subway.
     
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    Way to go for failing to distinguish between police brutality, which at most times are of the officer's own accord, and the systematic & planned Tiananmen-style crackdown that would've been the responsibility of the PLA.
     
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    It's an interview with a prominent figure within the Trump administration (or used to be, but either way an important player) and offers a rare view into how US officials may view the HK pawn in the grand scheme of China-US relations.

    You may disagree with NTD's rightward slant but there should be no complaint against what is essentially a raw, unredacted interview.
     
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    Depends on who it's with. Bannon is ostracized politically and was fired from the white house. He works for Breitbart, which is considered by most Americans to be a niche outlet for insane angry conservatives ranting nonsense. So it's very questionable what value there is in Bannon's view at this time. Previous to his departure, you could argue that he holds a very high position of power in the US government but now, his relevance is unclear at best and cannot be assumed to represent anything of importance. Raw interview just means that the footage wasn't manipulated to mean something that the interviewee didn't mean but it does nothing to enhance the relevance of the interviewee.

    PS. Not too late to answer this one, especially the last paragraph where you were asked me to provide numerical evidence for what percentage of the rioters were violent and I responded asking you to provide numerical evidence for why you assumed them to be the minority at all:
    https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/hong-kong-protests.t8580/page-147#post-572153
     
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    Here we go again...it shouldn't matter which outlets Bannon wrote for or how American MSM generally portrays him to be. One doesn't get selected into Trump's cabinet as chief strategist without at least some inkling of geopolitical insight and understanding of the US' greatest political & economic foe.

    Listen to this guy's take on HK's political & economic influence on G2 relations, and the ramifications of the CCP's response to both the HK crisis and the trade war, before throwing him under the "conservatives-ranting-nonsense" bus.
     
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    the events according to the SCMP article I linked above:
    "In Sham Shui Po, a taxi driver in his 60s rammed into a crowd of protesters and injured a woman. Angry masked groups then pulled the driver out of the car and beat him, before he was later rescued by firefighters. Beaten unconscious, his face and head were covered in blood while the windows of the taxi were smashed."

    (hope it's obvious I'm unable to comment on this occasion)
     
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