Hong-Kong Protests


localizer

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It's been reported on live Taiwan news that he died. Need more confirmation on this though.

If true, this would mark the first casualty in the HK riots.
 
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Bltizo

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the events according to the SCMP article I linked above:
"In Sham Shui Po, a taxi driver in his 60s rammed into a crowd of protesters and injured a woman. Angry masked groups then pulled the driver out of the car and beat him, before he was later rescued by firefighters. Beaten unconscious, his face and head were covered in blood while the windows of the taxi were smashed."

(hope it's obvious I'm unable to comment on this occasion)
I'm not sure what this is meant to add to the discussion because the way that the SCMP article writes about it does not tell us whether the maneuver was deliberate or accidental or whether he was provoked.
 
Here we go again...it shouldn't matter which outlets Bannon wrote for or how American MSM generally portrays him to be. One doesn't get selected into Trump's cabinet as chief strategist without at least some inkling of geopolitical insight and understanding of the US' greatest political & economic foe.

Listen to this guy's take on HK's political & economic influence on G2 relations, and the ramifications of the CCP's response to both the HK crisis and the trade war, before throwing him under the "conservatives-ranting-nonsense" bus.
Actually, yes, Trump is known for putting people into power simply for perceived loyalty despite having absolutely no qualifications, Betsy Devos being the most outstanding case. These people usually have exceptionally short careers, just like Bannon did. It's not whether I throw him under the bus; it's his current value in the minds of Americans from those who wince at the name Breitbart to those in power who ostracized him. If we listen to someone who is regarded by the majority of the US to be out of his mind, then who don't we listen to? Do we have a filter or is every crazy person under a bridge worth interviewing and posting here?
 

Bltizo

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It's an interview with a prominent figure within the Trump administration (or used to be, but either way an important player) and offers a rare view into how US officials may view the HK pawn in the grand scheme of China-US relations.

You may disagree with NTD's rightward slant but there should be no complaint against what is essentially a raw, unredacted interview.
As I said, perhaps you believed that Bannon's commentary made it worthwhile to post the video here.

However the lack of a flag or disclaimer to point out that the video is from a FLG affiliated media outlet is alarming and I hope it will be rectified in future.



Is condemnation of mob violence on an unarmed individual really something worth commenting or arguing over? It's a moot point; you're preaching to the choir by condemning this act.

The original post included this video to insinuate that this was somehow an unprovoked attack on an innocent taxi driver who merely was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Which very well may have been the case. Nevertheless, it should be kept in mind that OP's premise is generally unfounded and that there are a bevy of "theories" as to what really transpired.

The accusation that I had posted, however true or untrue that may be, is to illustrate that anyone can repost or "pass on" an unsubstantiated theory of events and use the footage to push his or her political agenda.
The condemnation of mob violence on an unarmed individual is not something worth arguing over, however the fact that attention is being drawn away from that documented act of violence to speculate about whether or not the driver's maneuver was deliberate or not deliberate is concerning as it can be reasonably perceived as a way of trying to minimize, justify or mitigate the act of violence committed against the driver.

You are entitled to your own stance towards who you think deserves more concern or sympathy of course, but I imagine I'm not speaking for myself alone to say that I find it confusing that you are expressing concern more towards whether or not the driver might have driven into the crowd accidentally or deliberately or what not -- rather than not exhibiting concern for the fact that he was so inhumanely wounded.
 

Jura

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I'm not sure what this is meant to add to the discussion because the way that the SCMP article writes about it does not tell us whether the maneuver was deliberate or accidental or whether he was provoked.
the CNN (
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"The incident involving the taxi cab was one of the most violent the city has seen during the protest movement, which began peacefully but has seen protesters increasingly use violence and vandalism. The unrest is now entering its 18th week.
Video uploaded to social media shows one of Hong Kong's red taxi cabs, driving slowly in a sea of black-clad protesters, turning left and accelerating into the crowd.
Several other images and video in local media show what appeared to be the aftermath: A man, bloodied and battered, being hit and kicked while on the ground next to the taxi. In one of the videos, a few people could be seen attempting to intervene to help him and stop the mob from further harming him. A police source told CNN the driver was unconscious when he was rescued.
CNN could not immediately confirm the circumstances that led to this incident."

the Daily Mail (
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"Video: Taxi driver allegedly ran over protesters in Hong Kong
A taxi driver can be seen driving through a protest in Hong Kong. It is believed his vehicle was damaged and ran over two women before being dragged out of his car and beaten in the Sham Shui Po district. Paramedics..."
[I don't know why it then links another article after I click 'Read Article']

so yeah it's unclear
 

SinoSoldier

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Actually, yes, Trump is known for putting people into power simply for perceived loyalty despite having absolutely no qualifications, Betsy Devos being the most outstanding case. These people usually have exceptionally short careers, just like Bannon did. It's not whether I throw him under the bus; it's his current value in the minds of Americans from those who wince at the name Breitbart to those in power who ostracized him. If we listen to someone who is regarded by the majority of the US to be out of his mind, then who don't we listen to? Do we have a filter or is every crazy person under a bridge worth interviewing and posting here?
I see the beginnings of a double standard here; on one hand, much of this forum condemns the unfair portrayal of the HK situation by the mainstream media, and yet are so willing to ostracize Bannon on the basis of the mainstream media having done so before. With all the smoke & mirrors that come on the heels of almost every major political situation or figurehead, it is critical that we give a voice to those who otherwise may be considered "fringe" or "radical".

Bannon is no Devos despite the two having shared the same office roof. But you'd never know that without actually listening to what he has to say.
 

Bltizo

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It's been reported on live Taiwan news that he died. Need more confirmation on this though.

If true, this would mark the first casualty in the HK riots.
If true, I unfortunately feel like this may only be the first casualty of blackshirt violence in coming days, weeks and months.

The HK government have appropriately chosen to not allow police to use lethal force as that would be walking into the protester's marginal violence theory plan.
The ability of law enforcement to properly dissuade, track and appropriately punish the individuals causing violence and destruction of public property is therefore limited.


I hope that the Chinese government chooses to continue their offhand approach as they have been doing, to allow the HK police force to deal with it to the best of their ability while providing indirect support.
The black shirts -- or increasingly it seems, the "black guards" as they seem to be ironically growing in resemblance to the famous red guards -- have already shown what side of history they are on. I imagine they will continue demonstrating it going forwards as well.
 

SinoSoldier

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As I said, perhaps you believed that Bannon's commentary made it worthwhile to post the video here.

However the lack of a flag or disclaimer to point out that the video is from a FLG affiliated media outlet is alarming and I hope it will be rectified in future.
Do we provide a warning every time posts an article or discussion from Global Times or the like? The video is from NTDTV and the TV network's name & logo are clearly displayed.

The condemnation of mob violence on an unarmed individual is not something worth arguing over, however the fact that attention is being drawn away from that documented act of violence to speculate about whether or not the driver's maneuver was deliberate or not deliberate is concerning as it can be reasonably perceived as a way of trying to minimize, justify or mitigate the act of violence committed against the driver.
And so comes the point I was trying to make: leave the judgments and conclusions to the police and multimedia. I was providing extremely-speculative theories but so was the OP.
 

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