I agree with you. I too believe that over emphasize the violence, as well as making out the issue to be more than it really is not a good thing. It's not in China's interest to over-react.
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I agree with you. I too believe that over emphasize the violence, as well as making out the issue to be more than it really is not a good thing. It's not in China's interest to over-react.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
We care; you don't. You clearly thought it was an overreaction to shoot someone attacking a police officer.
It's that I've never seen a Chinese person from the Mainland support this kind of thing and every news outlet in China is enraged at them. But you know, that doesn't count. I'll read the US media to get a gauge on how Chinese people feel too scared to speak up, right? Maybe I'm also too scared and I don't know myself as well as Western media knows me! I should start reading about how I feel in Western media, right? LOL
Because this worked in Tiananmen, in the American revolution, etc... Every time the government can kill those disloyal to it, the country is united. It's mathematical and logical. If there is a population of red dots against a population of blue dots, and all the blue dots are eliminated, all there is left is red. It's not refutable.
Again and again until the end of time because we actually have pictures of them meeting. Again with your denial of the facts in the face of evidence?
The rational is if you try to kill us, we will kill you. So don't try to kill us. It's really simple and effective; it's how the police operate the world over. Rubber bullets and tear gas is for unarmed unruly people; not for people assaulting the police with deadly weapons. Can they be dealt with non-lethally? Yes, but they don't deserve it. If they try to kill someone, try to set them on fire, they deserve to be killed. The police can always deal with anyone non-lethally no matter how heinous the crime, but when it's clear that he doesn't deserve it, they don't bother to give him the non-lethal treatment.
The populace is China, not the small city of Hong Kong. You cannot have a renegade Manhattan that respects no US federal laws and you cannot have that in Hong Kong. They will respect the will of the Chinese people because they are a part of it and if they don't, they will be made to or die in the process.
I dunno. You're making the claim that it's "mostly" peaceful. You give me the numbers. If you can't, then maybe we can't assume it's mostly peaceful, huh?
I have first person sources; I'm actually trying to figure out what's going on. It is you who has completely eaten the Western media bias hook line and sinker, believing that anybody can do anything without repercussion in the name of democracy.
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AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
These protestors stalked a policeman to attack. That doesn't happen in the US. You can have a disturbed individual go after police but a mob? These protestors hate the police because they think just like any despot where the police are suppose to be their army protecting what they want. So if they're destroying property and attacking people, the police are suppose to be protecting them doing that. Those aren't people who have a basic understanding of what democracy and human rights is all about.
You know, before we miss the forest for the trees, let's just recount the last couple of pages of posts.
A rioter gets shot once by police, as he was actively attacking a police officer's gun wielding hand with a metal baton, along with a bunch of other baton rioters actively surrounding and attacking police including one police who is on the ground.
Yet some posters have the gall to say "well there are also peaceful protesters as part of the movement as well!".
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Yes, I'm sure there were quite a number of people in Hong Kong who weren't actively going out into the streets to ambush and mob police with metal batons and attack them. I'm sure the majority of Hong Kong's population are peaceful, and I imagine the majority of the world's population are peaceful as well.
But that is relevant exactly.... how?
It isn't relevant. Not unless the purpose is to misdirect the focus away from the events which led to the shooting, which by any reasonable perspective when taking the event in its entirety would be considered a more than justified action on behalf of the police.
A rioter gets shot once by police, as he was actively attacking a police officer's gun wielding hand with a metal baton, along with a bunch of other baton rioters actively surrounding and attacking police including one police who is on the ground.
Yet some posters have the gall to say "well there are also peaceful protesters as part of the movement as well!".
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Yes, I'm sure there were quite a number of people in Hong Kong who weren't actively going out into the streets to ambush and mob police with metal batons and attack them. I'm sure the majority of Hong Kong's population are peaceful, and I imagine the majority of the world's population are peaceful as well.
But that is relevant exactly.... how?
It isn't relevant. Not unless the purpose is to misdirect the focus away from the events which led to the shooting, which by any reasonable perspective when taking the event in its entirety would be considered a more than justified action on behalf of the police.
Kid, you are truly delusional to think mainlanders want a revolution. You will hard press to find supporters to your hooligans even among oversea mainlanders, let alone people in mainland. Read some history books kid. People only rebel when their lives are hopeless, like HKers of today. Not mainlanders
As for a middle age Cantonese mainlander like myself, i am fully aware how HKers think of us “mainlanders”. I have to go full retard before supporting your cause. You should read up the CDF threads like “democracy at work” as homework
solarz
Brigadier
Of course China has a duty to fix Hong Kong's problems! Hong Kong is a part of China, or have you forgotten that? The interests of the Chinese nation include every inch of its territory. People who think they can gain "strategic interest" by sacrificing territory is forgetting the lessons of history, ironically the very history of Hong Kong itself!
solarz
Brigadier
We really need a downvote function in this forum!
Students have become the mainstay of these riots and at a much younger average age than before. They are getting desperate.
【929衝突】97人被捕今提堂 近半為學生涉工程師測量師
星島日報報道】9月29日在銅鑼灣至金鐘一帶舉行的「全球反極權大遊行」發生激烈衝突，涉嫌曾參與事件的97人被捕，年齡介乎14歲至50歲，其中96人各被控一項暴動罪，一名50歲女社工則被控一項襲警罪。案件今將於西九龍裁判法院提堂。數十名民眾早於早上七時已到庭外排隊等候，今日法庭預備的三百張公眾席籌已全部派發完畢，記者目測現有過千人在西九龍裁判法庭大堂、一樓及法庭地下等範圍等候聆訊並支持眾被告。今次被捕有97人，當中包括47名學生，另有一名醫生及一名教師。
本案分開兩案處理，首案案件的四十四名被告依次為馮嘉文（39歲，電腦技術員）、張偉青（21歲，無業）、張凱欣（18歲，學生）、張銘彦（23歲，電腦技術員）、何家洛（25歲，無業）、謝曉峰（20歲，學生）、馮X（15歲，學生）、林卓軒（18歲，學生）、莫震宇（33歲，無業）、楊樂謙（20歲）、歐陽志堅（41歲，廣告從業員）、古家華（27歲，水平測量師）、劉XX（15歲，學生）、馮浩軒（26歲，文員）、蕭XX（14歲，學生）、陳XX（14歲，學生）、李德軒（24歲，程式設計師）、黃韻思（25歲，無業）、黎浩彬（20歲，學生）、江壁怡（25歲，護士）、曾憲嘉（24歲）、黃昱翔（20歲，學生）、張馨文（20歲，學生）、廖XX（15歲，學生）、何滿恆（19歲，學生）、鄭曉容（18歲，學生）、梁XX（16歲，學生）、洪聰滿（25歲，其他職業）、陳航生（19歲，學生）、謝梓健（21歲，無業）、譚宇權（21歲，學生）、李穎欣（21歲，學生）、劉文輝（28歲，地盤工人）、劉燕嫦（29歲，技術員）、陳澍峰（20歲，學生）、邱偉濤（23歲，商人）、林昊生（21歲，學生）、李其浚（22歲，電腦技術員）、林耀俊（22歲，學生）、謝達志（27歲，醫生）、陳海蓬（27歲，商人）、游茜茹（22歲，產品檢測員）、蘇家玉（21歲，學生）、何普光（22歲，學生）。
第二宗案的五十三名被告依次為王益利（19歲，學生），周俊熙（21歲，無業），文家健（21歲，學生），麥家恩（20歲，學生），黎曉曈（28歲），呂兆禧（19歲，無業），梁德煌（22歲，放射治療師），曾綺婷（18歲，學生），何狄恆（20歲，學生），梁溢希（20歲，學生），馬詠詩（17歲，學生），關天豐（22歲，侍應），黃德津（16歲，學生），韓偉傑（25歲，地盤管工），莊美燃（22歲，工程助理），高俊誠（20歲），李栢賢Martin（18歲，學生），鄧頌城（20歲，學生），霍文聰（21歲，學生），陳浩天（18歲，學生），石家宇Calvin（20歲，學生），朱廣華（31歲，廚師），周梓曦（19歲，學生），劉永健（21歲，學生），林翠雯（32歲，老師），劉家豪（18歲，學生），容子朗（22歲，測量師），黃梓傑（19歲，學生），鄧家樂（39歲，銷售經理），李子賢（20歲，學生），羅康傑（20歲，學生），王皓文（18歲，學生），陳和睿（20歲，學生），余景軒（24歲，學生），姜啟泓（22歲，學生），陳恩富（27歲，銷售代表），馬君廷（23歲，廣告業），劉彥昭（36歲），楊志豪（18歲，無業），張焯茵（20歲，學生），黃俊渝（19歲，學生），郭瑋峰（20歲，無業），岑璟禎（19歲，學生），呂昊峻Mathieu （19歲，學生），張卓霖（23歲，舞台表演），林志豪（30歲，工程師），范瑜（29歲，無業），賴駒馳（19歲，無業），何家俊（24歲），樊耀淦（28歲），朱喬雋（23歲，程式編制員），劉俊謙（24歲，文員），許麗明（50歲，社工）。
第一宗案件的四十四名被告被控於2019年9月29日在香港金鐘夏愨道一帶連同其他身份不詳的人士參與暴動。第二宗案件的第一至第五十二名被告被控於2019年9月29日在香港金鐘金鐘道一帶連同其他身份不詳的人士參與暴動。報稱身為社工的許麗明則被控於2019年9月29日在香港金鐘金鐘道襲擊執行職責的警務人員，即警員莊的朗。
法庭記者：劉曉曦 黃雅純
A fierce clash occurred in the "global anti-totalitarianism parade" held in Causeway Bay to Admiralty on the 29th. 97 people suspected of having participated in the incident were arrested, aged between 14 to 50, 96 of whom were charged with participating in a riot. Sin, a 50-year-old female social worker was charged with assaulting of a police officer. The case will appear in the West Kowloon Magistracy today. Dozens of people have already queued up outside the court at 7 am. There were 97 people arrested this time, including 47 students, and a doctor and a teacher.
The case was dealt with in two separate cases. The 44 defendants in the first case were Feng Jiawen (39 years old, computer technician), Zhang Weiqing (21 years old, unemployed), Zhang Kaixin (18 years old, student), Zhang Mingyan (23 years old, computer technician). ), He Jialuo (25 years old, unemployed), Xie Xiaofeng (20 years old, student), Feng X (15 years old, student), Lin Zhuoxuan (18 years old, student), Mo Zhenyu (33 years old, unemployed), Yang Leqian (20 Years old), Ouyang Zhijian (41 years old, advertising practitioner), Gu Jiahua (27 years old, level surveyor), Liu XX (15 years old, student), Feng Haoxuan (26 years old, clerk), Xiao XX (14 years old, student) Chen XX (14 years old, student), Li Dexuan (24 years old, programmer), Huang Yunsi (25 years old, unemployed), Li Haobin (20 years old, student), Jiang Biyi (25 years old, nurse), Zeng Xianjia (24 years old), Huang Yuxiang (20 years old, student), Zhang Xinwen (20 years old, student), Liao XX (15 years old, student), He Manheng (19 years old, student), Zheng Xiaorong (18 years old, student), Liang XX (16 years old, student), Hong Congman (25 years old, other occupations), Chen Hangsheng (19 years old, student), Xie Yujian (21 years old, unemployed), Tan Yuquan (21 years old, student), Li Yingxin (21 years old, student), Liu Wenhui (28 years old, site workers), Liu Yanwei (29 years old, technician), Chen Yufeng (20 years old, student), Qiu Weitao (23 years old, businessman), Lin Yusheng (21 years old, student), Li Qichen (22 years old, computer technician), Lin Huijun (22 years old, student), Xie Dazhi (27 years old, Doctor), Chen Haipeng (27 years old, businessman), You Ruru (22 years old, product inspector), Su Jiayu (21 years old, student), He Puguang (22 years old, student).
The 53 accused in the second case were Wang Yili (19 years old, student), Zhou Junxi (21 years old, unemployed), Wen Jiajian (21 years old, student), Mai Jiaen (20 years old, student), Li Xiao曈 (28 years old), Lu Zhaowei (19 years old, unemployed), Liang Dehuang (22 years old, radiotherapist), Zeng Yuting (18 years old, student), He Diheng (20 years old, student), Liang Yixi (20 years old, student), Ma Yushi ( 17 years old, student), Guan Tianfeng (22 years old, waiter), Huang Dejin (16 years old, student), Han Weijie (25 years old, site management), Zhuang Meiyan (22 years old, engineering assistant), Gao Juncheng (20 years old) , Li Baixian Martin (18 years old, student), Deng Yucheng (20 years old, student), Huo Wencong (21 years old, student), Chen Haotian (18 years old, student), Shi Jiayu Calvin (20 years old, student), Zhu Guanghua (31 years old, chef), Zhou Wei (19 years old, student), Liu Yongjian (21 years old, student), Lin Cuiwen (32 years old, teacher), Liu Jiahao (18 years old, student), Rong Zilang (22 years old, surveyor), Huang Jiejie (19 years old, student), Deng Jiale (39 years old, sales manager), Li Zixian (20 years old, student), Luo Kangjie (20 years old, student), Wang Yiwen (18 years old, student), Chen Herui (20 years old, student) Yu Jingxuan (24 years old, student), Jiang Qizhen (22 years old, student), Chen Enfu (27 years old, sales representative), Ma Junting (23 years old, advertising industry), Liu Yanzhao (36 years old), Yang Zhihao (18 years old, unemployed), Zhang Yinyin (20 years old, student), Huang Junxi (19 years old, student), Guo Yufeng (20 years old, unemployed), Yu (19 years old, student), Lu Yujun Mathieu (19 years old, student), Zhang Zhuolin (23 years old, stage performance), Lin Zhihao (30 years old, engineer), Fan Yu (29 years old, unemployed), Lai Yuchi (19 years old, unemployed), He Jiajun (24 years old), Fan Yaoxuan (28 years old), Zhu Qiaoyu (23 years old, programmer), Liu Junqian (24 years old, clerk ), Xu Liming (50 years old, social worker).
【929衝突】97人被捕今提堂 近半為學生涉工程師測量師
星島日報報道】9月29日在銅鑼灣至金鐘一帶舉行的「全球反極權大遊行」發生激烈衝突，涉嫌曾參與事件的97人被捕，年齡介乎14歲至50歲，其中96人各被控一項暴動罪，一名50歲女社工則被控一項襲警罪。案件今將於西九龍裁判法院提堂。數十名民眾早於早上七時已到庭外排隊等候，今日法庭預備的三百張公眾席籌已全部派發完畢，記者目測現有過千人在西九龍裁判法庭大堂、一樓及法庭地下等範圍等候聆訊並支持眾被告。今次被捕有97人，當中包括47名學生，另有一名醫生及一名教師。
本案分開兩案處理，首案案件的四十四名被告依次為馮嘉文（39歲，電腦技術員）、張偉青（21歲，無業）、張凱欣（18歲，學生）、張銘彦（23歲，電腦技術員）、何家洛（25歲，無業）、謝曉峰（20歲，學生）、馮X（15歲，學生）、林卓軒（18歲，學生）、莫震宇（33歲，無業）、楊樂謙（20歲）、歐陽志堅（41歲，廣告從業員）、古家華（27歲，水平測量師）、劉XX（15歲，學生）、馮浩軒（26歲，文員）、蕭XX（14歲，學生）、陳XX（14歲，學生）、李德軒（24歲，程式設計師）、黃韻思（25歲，無業）、黎浩彬（20歲，學生）、江壁怡（25歲，護士）、曾憲嘉（24歲）、黃昱翔（20歲，學生）、張馨文（20歲，學生）、廖XX（15歲，學生）、何滿恆（19歲，學生）、鄭曉容（18歲，學生）、梁XX（16歲，學生）、洪聰滿（25歲，其他職業）、陳航生（19歲，學生）、謝梓健（21歲，無業）、譚宇權（21歲，學生）、李穎欣（21歲，學生）、劉文輝（28歲，地盤工人）、劉燕嫦（29歲，技術員）、陳澍峰（20歲，學生）、邱偉濤（23歲，商人）、林昊生（21歲，學生）、李其浚（22歲，電腦技術員）、林耀俊（22歲，學生）、謝達志（27歲，醫生）、陳海蓬（27歲，商人）、游茜茹（22歲，產品檢測員）、蘇家玉（21歲，學生）、何普光（22歲，學生）。
第二宗案的五十三名被告依次為王益利（19歲，學生），周俊熙（21歲，無業），文家健（21歲，學生），麥家恩（20歲，學生），黎曉曈（28歲），呂兆禧（19歲，無業），梁德煌（22歲，放射治療師），曾綺婷（18歲，學生），何狄恆（20歲，學生），梁溢希（20歲，學生），馬詠詩（17歲，學生），關天豐（22歲，侍應），黃德津（16歲，學生），韓偉傑（25歲，地盤管工），莊美燃（22歲，工程助理），高俊誠（20歲），李栢賢Martin（18歲，學生），鄧頌城（20歲，學生），霍文聰（21歲，學生），陳浩天（18歲，學生），石家宇Calvin（20歲，學生），朱廣華（31歲，廚師），周梓曦（19歲，學生），劉永健（21歲，學生），林翠雯（32歲，老師），劉家豪（18歲，學生），容子朗（22歲，測量師），黃梓傑（19歲，學生），鄧家樂（39歲，銷售經理），李子賢（20歲，學生），羅康傑（20歲，學生），王皓文（18歲，學生），陳和睿（20歲，學生），余景軒（24歲，學生），姜啟泓（22歲，學生），陳恩富（27歲，銷售代表），馬君廷（23歲，廣告業），劉彥昭（36歲），楊志豪（18歲，無業），張焯茵（20歲，學生），黃俊渝（19歲，學生），郭瑋峰（20歲，無業），岑璟禎（19歲，學生），呂昊峻Mathieu （19歲，學生），張卓霖（23歲，舞台表演），林志豪（30歲，工程師），范瑜（29歲，無業），賴駒馳（19歲，無業），何家俊（24歲），樊耀淦（28歲），朱喬雋（23歲，程式編制員），劉俊謙（24歲，文員），許麗明（50歲，社工）。
第一宗案件的四十四名被告被控於2019年9月29日在香港金鐘夏愨道一帶連同其他身份不詳的人士參與暴動。第二宗案件的第一至第五十二名被告被控於2019年9月29日在香港金鐘金鐘道一帶連同其他身份不詳的人士參與暴動。報稱身為社工的許麗明則被控於2019年9月29日在香港金鐘金鐘道襲擊執行職責的警務人員，即警員莊的朗。
法庭記者：劉曉曦 黃雅純
A fierce clash occurred in the "global anti-totalitarianism parade" held in Causeway Bay to Admiralty on the 29th. 97 people suspected of having participated in the incident were arrested, aged between 14 to 50, 96 of whom were charged with participating in a riot. Sin, a 50-year-old female social worker was charged with assaulting of a police officer. The case will appear in the West Kowloon Magistracy today. Dozens of people have already queued up outside the court at 7 am. There were 97 people arrested this time, including 47 students, and a doctor and a teacher.
The case was dealt with in two separate cases. The 44 defendants in the first case were Feng Jiawen (39 years old, computer technician), Zhang Weiqing (21 years old, unemployed), Zhang Kaixin (18 years old, student), Zhang Mingyan (23 years old, computer technician). ), He Jialuo (25 years old, unemployed), Xie Xiaofeng (20 years old, student), Feng X (15 years old, student), Lin Zhuoxuan (18 years old, student), Mo Zhenyu (33 years old, unemployed), Yang Leqian (20 Years old), Ouyang Zhijian (41 years old, advertising practitioner), Gu Jiahua (27 years old, level surveyor), Liu XX (15 years old, student), Feng Haoxuan (26 years old, clerk), Xiao XX (14 years old, student) Chen XX (14 years old, student), Li Dexuan (24 years old, programmer), Huang Yunsi (25 years old, unemployed), Li Haobin (20 years old, student), Jiang Biyi (25 years old, nurse), Zeng Xianjia (24 years old), Huang Yuxiang (20 years old, student), Zhang Xinwen (20 years old, student), Liao XX (15 years old, student), He Manheng (19 years old, student), Zheng Xiaorong (18 years old, student), Liang XX (16 years old, student), Hong Congman (25 years old, other occupations), Chen Hangsheng (19 years old, student), Xie Yujian (21 years old, unemployed), Tan Yuquan (21 years old, student), Li Yingxin (21 years old, student), Liu Wenhui (28 years old, site workers), Liu Yanwei (29 years old, technician), Chen Yufeng (20 years old, student), Qiu Weitao (23 years old, businessman), Lin Yusheng (21 years old, student), Li Qichen (22 years old, computer technician), Lin Huijun (22 years old, student), Xie Dazhi (27 years old, Doctor), Chen Haipeng (27 years old, businessman), You Ruru (22 years old, product inspector), Su Jiayu (21 years old, student), He Puguang (22 years old, student).
The 53 accused in the second case were Wang Yili (19 years old, student), Zhou Junxi (21 years old, unemployed), Wen Jiajian (21 years old, student), Mai Jiaen (20 years old, student), Li Xiao曈 (28 years old), Lu Zhaowei (19 years old, unemployed), Liang Dehuang (22 years old, radiotherapist), Zeng Yuting (18 years old, student), He Diheng (20 years old, student), Liang Yixi (20 years old, student), Ma Yushi ( 17 years old, student), Guan Tianfeng (22 years old, waiter), Huang Dejin (16 years old, student), Han Weijie (25 years old, site management), Zhuang Meiyan (22 years old, engineering assistant), Gao Juncheng (20 years old) , Li Baixian Martin (18 years old, student), Deng Yucheng (20 years old, student), Huo Wencong (21 years old, student), Chen Haotian (18 years old, student), Shi Jiayu Calvin (20 years old, student), Zhu Guanghua (31 years old, chef), Zhou Wei (19 years old, student), Liu Yongjian (21 years old, student), Lin Cuiwen (32 years old, teacher), Liu Jiahao (18 years old, student), Rong Zilang (22 years old, surveyor), Huang Jiejie (19 years old, student), Deng Jiale (39 years old, sales manager), Li Zixian (20 years old, student), Luo Kangjie (20 years old, student), Wang Yiwen (18 years old, student), Chen Herui (20 years old, student) Yu Jingxuan (24 years old, student), Jiang Qizhen (22 years old, student), Chen Enfu (27 years old, sales representative), Ma Junting (23 years old, advertising industry), Liu Yanzhao (36 years old), Yang Zhihao (18 years old, unemployed), Zhang Yinyin (20 years old, student), Huang Junxi (19 years old, student), Guo Yufeng (20 years old, unemployed), Yu (19 years old, student), Lu Yujun Mathieu (19 years old, student), Zhang Zhuolin (23 years old, stage performance), Lin Zhihao (30 years old, engineer), Fan Yu (29 years old, unemployed), Lai Yuchi (19 years old, unemployed), He Jiajun (24 years old), Fan Yaoxuan (28 years old), Zhu Qiaoyu (23 years old, programmer), Liu Junqian (24 years old, clerk ), Xu Liming (50 years old, social worker).
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kind of summary of yesterday's events:
Hong Kong police ‘overwhelmed’ as anti-government protesters unleash new level of violence
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Hong Kong police ‘overwhelmed’ as anti-government protesters unleash new level of violence
- Protesters block roads, set fires and throw firebombs in at least 13 areas – more than 180 arrested
- Police fight back with tear gas, water cannons and six live rounds – at least 66 people injured
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