Growing Asymmetries in the China-Japan Naval Balance
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051 series is getting built in Dalian and 052 is built in JN. There really is no other shipyard in China that can rival the shipbuilding capability of JN. That's why 051C just doesn't have the hull that comes out of the JN shipyard.
051C definitely < AB.
051C < 052C < AB
051C definitely < AB.
051C < 052C < AB
MIGleader
Banned Idiot
Su-34 said:
the burke. it has twice as many sams, all of which have longer range than the s-300vs. the 51c doesnt even seem to have a hanger, so the ashm on board are assumed to be for self defence.
akinkhoo, the s-300 is probably cheaper than the hq-9, as it has inferior performance(not much though). the hull design must be quite a bit cheaper too.
antiterror13
Brigadier
Latest variant of HQ-9B is said to be comparable in performance to S-300PM2 ... remember HQ-9 IS NOT a clone of S-300 ... in some aspects HQ-9 is a much better one.
I would imagine S-300 is cheaper than HQ-9 ... but export price of S-300 is not cheap ... definitely more expensive than HQ-9
I think China is far ahead of Japan in AAM and AshM, but Japan is s till ahead of China in subs and ship building tech
Yea.. and MIGleader was banned back in April 2006..
antiterror13
Brigadier
why not ? ... I see it still relevant and interesting. I saw the title at the end of the page
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
HQ-9 Well look at it this way, weve been updated
Anyway I dont think there's any rule agains't "necropostng" is there?
Red___Sword
Junior Member
I think CERTAIN ASPECTS of subs and ship building tech, japan is quite good.
But if we are to talk about "ASYMMETRIES ... OF NAVAL BALANCE", I thought we need to talk about "HOW USEFUL, TECH, being transformed into MILITARY MIGHT."
Tech, is definately useful, but if someone claims like: "USA the country, have ALL THE ASPECTS, of EVERY FIELD, in EVERY TECHNIQUE and ENGINEERING, that overwhilming any other country in ANY ASPECTS..." - I guess there is ALWAYS SOMEONE, shrug for that.
- But here we are, USA the country, is undeniablly the No.1, overwhilming military might, of the world.
That, is the "ASYMMETRIES", I want to point out, regarding THIS thread.
pugachev_diver
Banned Idiot
Of course there is asymmetry between China and Japan, but Japan currently is the one with the upper hand. It is shrinking instead of growing, since China is catching up. That Migleader guy is too cocky on this topic. Can't believe he was writing this back in 2006.....
Even today, Japan still has the upper hand, in terms of technology and production ability. Except it has a leash on its neck and the master is Uncle Sam. On the other hand, China's civil and defence sectors both have great demands, this will definitely encourage improvements in the ship building sector. On the other hand, China does have upper hand in some extremely high tech areas, like satellite (linking to ship), missiles, and radar technologies.
But as of this moment, Japan still got more ships and they are extremely new. They add a heavy sub every year, each with tonnage almost able to match nuclear powered counterparts.
To some extents, China is still like the former Soviet Union. It has the super high tech things, like space and nuclear technologies, but lacking in some basic things. Although USSR could design the world's best subs, they still had to import CNC machines from Japan in order to make the propellers.
Japan's technology is much more rounded than China.
But after all, Japan can never surpass its bottleneck, that is Uncle Sam. On the other hand, China can develop as quickly as it wants to. The sky is the limit.
Even today, Japan still has the upper hand, in terms of technology and production ability. Except it has a leash on its neck and the master is Uncle Sam. On the other hand, China's civil and defence sectors both have great demands, this will definitely encourage improvements in the ship building sector. On the other hand, China does have upper hand in some extremely high tech areas, like satellite (linking to ship), missiles, and radar technologies.
But as of this moment, Japan still got more ships and they are extremely new. They add a heavy sub every year, each with tonnage almost able to match nuclear powered counterparts.
To some extents, China is still like the former Soviet Union. It has the super high tech things, like space and nuclear technologies, but lacking in some basic things. Although USSR could design the world's best subs, they still had to import CNC machines from Japan in order to make the propellers.
Japan's technology is much more rounded than China.
But after all, Japan can never surpass its bottleneck, that is Uncle Sam. On the other hand, China can develop as quickly as it wants to. The sky is the limit.