The War in the Ukraine

Right_People

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They seem to be relegated to second line duty, though. For the past 5 years or so, all air policing and defense duties have been taken over by one Flanker variant or another.
According to MiG managers they are capable of producing 40 Mig-35s a year.
Considering that part of the line should be destined for export, it makes sense to have a few Migs in the fleet, as they are much easier to maintain and less expensive, in missions like Syria, I think it is a better alternative.
It all depends on the number of AESAs they can produce to equip those MIGs ...
 
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sheogorath

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Considering that part of the line should be destined for export, it makes sense to have a few Migs in the fleet, as they are much easier to maintain and less expensive, in missions like Syria, I think it is a better alternative.

That's the thing about the MiG-29, it isn't that much cheaper to operate than a Flanker and with less capability so you just might as well pay a little bit more as you get a far more capable aircraft with better logistics and future support, growth potential and more weapons available for it.

It being a twin engine and not that light plust the failures of Mikoyan on the logistical and quality aspect has doomed it outside of the Naval variant and its derivatives.
 

Right_People

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That's the thing about the MiG-29, it isn't that much cheaper to operate than a Flanker and with less capability so you just might as well pay a little bit more as you get a far more capable aircraft with better logistics and future support, growth potential and more weapons available for it.

It being a twin engine and not that light plust the failures of Mikoyan on the logistical and quality aspect has doomed it outside of the Naval variant and its derivatives.
I don't know how MIG intends to keep the company afloat then, they really need a country that operates on 29 shows interest in 35.

The core of your argument is correct, the sanctions did impact Russian naval shipbuilding of surface ships because of engine imports. But the Russians were importing gas turbines from Ukraine (used in the frigates), and from Germany they were importing diesel engines (used in the corvettes). They had to replace that with their own production. Where there is a dependence by Russia on German gas turbines it is in civilian applications like electric power generation. Not military applications.
Thanks for the correction then!

The Russians since 2014 have started serial production of: the N036 Belka GaA AESA radar, radar sensors used in their R-77-1 and R-37M air to air missiles, put the Elbrus-2SM processor into production at Mikron which is used in the Su-57. They started production of thermal sensors of both microbolometer and MCT thermal matrix type.
Oh that's interesting, thank you very much for the info.
I was thinking about the space programme, specifically with GLONASS.
In the early 2000's Russia went back to their plans to re-launch their GPS counterpart, which had been rendered unusable due to lack of maintenance in the collapse of the USSR.

They did it with the Uragan-M, which had the same Soviet backwardness with respect to the Western ones in the electronics, which was not resistant to vacuum and therefore had to be pressurised.

In 2011 a new model was launched to replace the M, the K1, which was equipped with circuits resistant to space radiation and therefore the whole pressurisation system was not necessary.
The first K1 model was launched in 2011 and the second in 2014.
The plan was to launch only K1 models from 2015, but the electronics were largely Western, so that M models had to continue to be launched.
In 2020 a K1 model was launched again, the first 100% Russian prototype.
In 2022, 2 K1 models were launched and 2022 also saw the last launch of the M model, from now on it will be K1 and K2.

Same history with the Angara rockets.
 

Right_People

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I think they could do worse than produce some MiG-35s to replace the Su-25 as a ground attack type. The MiG-35 has a built in ground attack sensor OLS-K, has similar payload capacity as the Su-25, and can use modern standoff ground attack munitions. Once Ukraine's MiG-29s have been more attrited away it might become more viable to use the MiG-35 without it being mistakenly identified as a Ukrainian aircraft.
I don't think the Su-25 is going away, it's a bit like the A-10, there's always talk of replacing it but it's never done ...
For many roles, you really just need an air tank.
From what is known about the 2022 military reform they want to expand the number of helicopters, so it is possible that some of that support weight will be transferred to helicopters.
Belarus has been approved to produce new Su-25s, so there is a possibility that Russia will buy them and that they will come with Chinese electronics ...
 

sheogorath

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I don't know how MIG intends to keep the company afloat then, they really need a country that operates on 29 shows interest in 35.
MiG is now part of Sukhoi, it was fusioned a few years ago and became a subsidiary focused on the Su-75 project.


CSIS has concluded that Russia isn't really running out of missiles and might have managed to increase the production of them, and regardless of quality, they are perfectly capable of wreaking havoc with them

 
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