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Phead128

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There is no question in my mind that, should China fight Taiwan, most of the US's Pacific vassals (Japan, South Korea, Australia, etc.) will get directly involved.
I've seen more Russia-China joint exercises in a single year than Japan-Taiwan, South Korea-Taiwan, Australia-Taiwan joint exercises in 5 decades. I don't see any evidence for those vassals to directly be involved. There is no evidence of joint-force cooperation or mil-to-mil training at any meaningful level against PLA. Same for the US. US even excludes Taiwan from RIMPAC exercises.
 

sndef888

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Looks like corporate Germany had a stern conversation with her before her visit to China. It's going to be a long and hard road that has a high chance of failure, but a truly independent EU as a new pole would be a huge win for China. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. And the 5 eyes have a monopoly on salt and vinegar anyways, so it's not an option for China.

In China, Germany's Baerbock says EU on same page as Macron​

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WTF, now that's a surprising move. Now it makes me wonder whether the whole strategic autonomy shtick is just a show orchestrated by US

Baerbock is a US plant through and through. There's no way she actually supports this

Unless......there really is something in the tea in China
 
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CMP

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WTF, now that's a surprising move. Now it makes me wonder whether the whole strategic autonomy shtick is just a show orchestrated by US

Baerbock is a US plant through and through. There's no way she actually supports this
She may not have much choice if all the top business elites in Germany are driving this. She can't say no to them or she'll see herself on their shit list. US imperialists have her from the front, but corporate Germany likely has her from the rear.
And how many successes?
Pakistan and Myanmar somewhat. Philippines quite a lot. Thailand a little but not really. They're definitely biting off way more than they can chew. And that's really likely down to the way they manage budgets and projects internally at Langley. If every viable project gets some budget, but none of them get nearly enough, you just end up with dozens of failures on your hands (and immense blow back from all directions).
 

BoraTas

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I believe we have a new term to describe this - "Friendly spying" (友好窃听/善意窃听).

Great, we can use this excuse next time whenever some NATO+ countries accuse China of spying them.
Jokes aside one of the main reasons for the formation of Five Eyes was enabling legal spying on members' civilians. Most US and British agencies are banned from spying on their own countries'. With Five Eyes organisation, they can just ask another member to spy on their countries'.
 

Temstar

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WTF, now that's a surprising move. Now it makes me wonder whether the whole strategic autonomy shtick is just a show orchestrated by US

Baerbock is a US plant through and through. There's no way she actually supports this

Unless......there really is something in the tea in China
Politico has a different read:
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But from what I glanced from her speech it's somewhere in the middle. She basically said a lot of words and they didn't really mean anything and it felt like a waste of time.

Perhaps German industrialists put a lot of pressure on her to not do a VDL.
 
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