Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics

[bd popeye]

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Mu Shu Tortilla, Welcome to SDF!!

One of the things people discount in these sink the CV threads is any sailors ability to perform damage control. Ever sailor at sea in the USN is fully trained at damage control and firefighting. Another is that if under attack or if certain security conditions exist the USN CV will be at "General Quarters". Material condition Zebra will be set. That means all watertight doors and hatches will be closed. All battle stations/damage control stations will be manned.

For a comparison of how a similar mishap is controlled today, see the two mishaps Nimitz had since then. The first was a flight deck crash that caused multiple warhead cook offs on deck, but the fire was quickly controlled. Repairs required something like 48 hours in Pearl Harbor, removal of the bodies and a return to full operational status

Actually that was in 1981 on the Nimitz. It was an USMC E/A-6B that crashed. 14 sailors were killed including all the crew on the E/A-6B. Actually the Nimitz was still operating in the Atlantic at the time and returned to Norfolk and was indeed back to sea in 48 hours.

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USS NIMITZ (CVN 68), Flight Deck Fire/Explosions, 25 May 1981

On May 25, 1981, an EA-6B aircraft hit a helicopter and another aircraft and tow tractor while conducting a nighttime landing on the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN 68). A fuel fire erupted which was quickly extinguished by the flight deck fire fighting systems. After the fire was believed to be out, a Sparrow missile which was buried in debris detonated and restarted the fire. There were three more warhead explosions before the fire was finally extinguished. Three aircraft were destroyed and nine damaged. There were 14 personnel casualties and 45 injuries reported as a result of the fire and explosions.

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USS NIMITZ (CVN 68), Fire, 30 November 1988

On November 30, 1988, a 20mm cannon onboard the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN 68) accidentally fired on an A-7 Corsair aircraft during maintenance while the ship was conducting operations in the Arabian Sea. Six other aircraft were set on fire and there were two casualties reported as a result.

 

[PrOeLiTeZ]

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

even so it would be the worst situation to be in, as you are locked in the compartment.

 

[bd popeye]

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

even so it would be the worst situation to be in, as you are locked in the compartment.

Can't happen. When "GQ"(General Quaters) is called away all hands must go to their battle stations. No exceptions. However..a few do miss out at times. Very few.

 

[bd popeye]

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Well most of the discussion in this thread is about how to sink a USN CV. But what about the Russian ADM "K"?

Here are two photos of the lone Russian CV being over flown by a P-3. Probably the USN. Why don't I see any Russian aircraft escorting this P-3? Yes I know the USS Kitty Hawk was overflown by Russian aircraft in 2000.

 

[williamhou]

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Well most of the discussion in this thread is about how to sink a USN CV. But what about the Russian ADM "K"?

Here are two photos of the lone Russian CV being over flown by a P-3. Probably the USN. Why don't I see any Russian aircraft escorting this P-3? Yes I know the USS Kitty Hawk was overflown by Russian aircraft in 2000.

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Russian carriers would be too easy to sink/disable, they do not have enough aircraft to protect it, and CIWS is much weaker. USN CV are much more challenging.

Torpedos are very powerful weapons however there range is too short. A very large number of long range cruise missiles may be the current best way to defect a USN CVBG.

 

[Gollevainen]

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Russian Carriers? There is only one russian carrier, Admiral Kuznetsov.

Would it be easier to sink than USN carriers? Perhaps as the Russian navy doesen't have proper carrier support force/fleet which USN have. Tough then again USN doesen't have the dedicated anti-carrier elements of themselves becouse there weren't that much enemy carriers to counter.

Best weapon against Admiral Kuznetsov would be submarines (as would be against USN carriers). Also the airdefence elements of the Russian fleet aren't as good as USN as the Soviet union broke up before something similar in capabilites of Aegis could be fielded. But to state that Kuznetsov has weaker CIWS than USN carriers is utter diaknowlidging of facts. Admiral Kuznetsov has the most extensive close range airdefence suite ever fitted to any ship in service anywhere in the world.

 

[planeman]

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Russian carriers would be too easy to sink/disable, they do not have enough aircraft to protect it, and CIWS is much weaker. USN CV are much more challenging.

CIWS is much weaker????

 

[williamhou]

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Russian carrier of course have much more missiles and denser defence, however I doubt there ability to shoot down missiles would be as good as US/European CIWS, which already demonstrated their high accuracy in real conflicts

 

[crobato]

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Which real conflict got to test (any) CIWS in battle?

 

[williamhou]

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Which real conflict got to test (any) CIWS in battle?

CIWS on board Israel FAC shoot down a number of Russian made subsonic missiles, that was many years ago