2009 Update to Jeff Head's PLAN pages

[Jeff Head]

jeff your website is cool

Thanks. Put a lot of work, research, and study into it. The comaprisons between combatant classes are a good thing to have when looking at the updates, you can just go and see what the US has to compare to the PLAN.

Let your friends and others know about it if you are so inclined.

 

[bd popeye]

Jeff, your RN CVF page is great. Up-to-date! Not some old info like i've seen in other sites.. Great job. ..Love those artist renderings!

 

[Jeff Head]

Jeff, your RN CVF page is great. Up-to-date! Not some old info like i've seen in other sites.. Great job. ..Love those artist renderings!

Thanks popeye. I can't wait to see the QE taking shape on the ways in the yards. If you think about it, we are going to have the new USS Gerald Ford, the Queen Elizabeth, the new Chinese Carrier, and the new large Indian carrier all building at the same time.

There'll be a lot of discussion over that as they are built and launched. Plenty to talk about.

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[le thi kieuoanh]

i am both amazed and astonished that you still use the mcarthur era cold war mentality by using the term 'red chinese navy' (see your blog) it has an undertone (red under the bed) to it the world''s accepted terminology is peoples' liberation army navy (plan)

 

[Jeff Head]

i am both amazed and astonished that you still use the mcarthur era cold war mentality by using the term 'red chinese navy' (see your blog) it has an undertone (red under the bed) to it the world''s accepted terminology is peoples' liberation army navy (plan)

The term PLAN is used throughout the work. I believe there probably is a Red Chinese term in there a time or two. But, in terms of pure ideology, the government is still communist, and in most of the west, that is recognized as Red. Nothing personal or demeaning meant by it.

 

[le thi kieuoanh]

the term-- red chinese-- is purely coined by the u.s. in the 50's (height of korean war) and some neocons (both present and past) to emphasis, in a derogative sense, about china to the general populace in the west and u.s. allies. the term red chinese is now out of currency.

 

[bd popeye]

Gents..Let us all refrain from posting
the term Red China/Chinese henceforth. I know I've made myself perfectly clear.:nono: Please return to the subject of this thread.

bd popeye super moderator

 

[Jeff Head]

Gents..Let us all refrain from posting
the term Red China/Chinese henceforth. I know I've made myself perfectly clear.:nono: Please return to the subject of this thread.

bd popeye super moderator

No problem Popeye...I diddn't raise the subject in the first place.

As it is, the PLAN is expanding rapidly in terms of numbers, quality, and now operational experience. That is what the site is about and what it documents very well I believe.

 

[crobato]

I mentioned before that the PLAN has to decide on a standardized VLS layout and medium-large SAM. They can't go around having two fairly large SAM systems---HQ-16 on the 054A and HQ-9 on the 052C---each with a different VLS system.

Without standardizing on the VLS system, you can't have a modular approach on the armaments. What if you want to have a cruise missile or ASROC on the VLS? If you built it on the HQ-16's VLS for example, it's not going to work on the HQ-9's VLS. Imagine let's say, the PLAN developed an ASROC, basically a Yu-7 light torpedo with a rocket booster on it and used it on the VLS of the 054A. Obviously it won't work on the 052C.

If the PLAN develops new 052x using the HQ-9 arrangement, they're only throwing good money on a dead end. The only thing the ships will be good at is air defense. You won't have the versatility in the VLS arrangement. We leave the 051C from the argument here because they're obviously dead ends.

The best thing for the 052x is to have more radical changes in order to have some standardization with the 054A which is the type likely to outnumber more than any other modern type in the PLAN. Revert to using HQ-16 for example, with its VLS launchers. Put one in the front and in the back, for a total of 64 missiles. In order to preserve the radar layout from the 052C, the seekers have to be active guided. In the future, the future 054x also have to make some adjustments in the radar layouts in order to be more compatible with the 052x. If they want to retain HQ-9, the 052x must move to a VLS layout similar to the 054x so they can share other missiles.

 

[bd popeye]

So in a nutshell crobato the PLAN should develp a single VLS liken to the USN Mk 41 VLS. I agree. That way they have some continuity in ship design. This will make maintenance and training so much easier.