The War in the Ukraine

Atomicfrog

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I'm surprised Russian draftees are buying IIIA plates, those are rated only for pistol rounds. I'd expect them to buy III/III+.
Well it's bad against bullet... but if it can block shrapnel it will block most of what kill soldiers in Ukraine. Don't know the protection against shrapnel from these ?
 

Zichan

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I think she misspoke and meant Ukrainian soldiers and not officers right?
If she means officers is there a certain ratio one can use to calculate/approximate total casualties?
She was the German Minister of Defense, so she should know better … however, I heard that she didn’t exactly excel in that role and was “promoted “ to a position where she could do the least amount of harm which is apparently the president of the EU Commission. This what Martin Schulz had to say in 2019:
“She is “the weakest minister in the government”, the former European Parliament president said. “[But] apparently such a performance suffices to become head of the commission.”

From the FT:
Among members of her own party, on the other hand, there was relief. “It’s good for the army that she’s going,” said one Christian Democratic Union MP. “Her years as minister have been really hard for the armed forces.”
 

Zichan

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Based on what UVDL said, “over 20000 civilians were killed” in Ukraine. As sad as that it is, I expected much worse based on the daily reports in my news feeds. It’s probably too early at this point to come up with accurate figures.

To compare, in the month long Desert Storm campaign some 3,600 Iraqi civilians were killed.

In the 2003 month long Invasion of Iraq, 7269 civilians were killed according to the Iraq Body Count.
 
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Botnet

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I think its a language/translation issue. It would be weird to only be talking about officer deaths.

100,000 dead Ukrainians , including injured it is around 400,000 total casualties. Military age males are the primary resource of any country, they are responsible for lions share economic activity. Even if the war ended now Ukraine will need hundreds of thousands of guest workers for their economy to remain economically competitive.

Assuming Russia keeps this up for a few years Ukraine will cease to exist one way or the other.
I do believe there was a mistranslation. She was sourcing that claim from General Milley, head of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, who said Russia had suffered over 100k casualties, and Ukraine suffered about the same. Although I do believe the Ukrainians have more casualties, perhaps 1.5 times more, if they suffered 400k casualties I don't really think the Russians would have such a hard time breaking through.
 

reservior dogs

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I do believe there was a mistranslation. She was sourcing that claim from General Milley, head of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, who said Russia had suffered over 100k casualties, and Ukraine suffered about the same. Although I do believe the Ukrainians have more casualties, perhaps 1.5 times more, if they suffered 400k casualties I don't really think the Russians would have such a hard time breaking through.
The number for the Russian side is complete propaganda. Most of the casualties from both sides were due to cannon fire. By their own admission, the Ukrainians have a 10:1 disadvantage in cannon fire. How do they manage to kill the same number of Russians with one tenth the cannon fire?
 

Phead128

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EU boss says more than 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been sacrificed for EU so far. Quite a high number considering Ukraine's ever falling demographics due to low birth rate, high emigration rate, high death rate, especially in a pandemic.


She definitely misspoke, should be over 100,000 Ukrainian casualties, not deaths.
  • Russian gov't claims ~110,000 Ukrainian casualties which includes 60K killed, 50K wounded.
  • US gov't claims +100,000 Ukrainians killed and wounded.
Also, even at 100K killed, 400K wounded, Ukraine can likely fight on for a very long time. That's a fraction of the active male population at even 30M total.
 

Abominable

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She definitely misspoke, should be over 100,000 Ukrainian casualties, not deaths.
  • Russian gov't claims ~110,000 Ukrainian casualties which includes 60K killed, 50K wounded.
  • US gov't claims +100,000 Ukrainians killed and wounded.
Also, even at 100K killed, 400K wounded, Ukraine can likely fight on for a very long time. That's a fraction of the active male population at even 30M total.
The Russian estimate you are referring to is from September, there's been quite a lot of heavy fighting since then so the number is going to be higher.

The Ukrainians can answer this by telling us how many soldiers have died just as the Russians have been doing. They won't because it'll be very high.
 

Tam

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She definitely misspoke, should be over 100,000 Ukrainian casualties, not deaths.
  • Russian gov't claims ~110,000 Ukrainian casualties which includes 60K killed, 50K wounded.
  • US gov't claims +100,000 Ukrainians killed and wounded.
Also, even at 100K killed, 400K wounded, Ukraine can likely fight on for a very long time. That's a fraction of the active male population at even 30M total.

Your economy will reach a breaking point much sooner with incremental decreases in the working population. Who will farm the food? Drive the trucks? Maintain the utilities. Ukraine has and needs over 256,000 to maintain its utilities alone. The fact that millions already left the country is the nation's by far the biggest economic damage. Its telling that the biggest refugee recipient is Russia. Plus there is a good fraction of the population that is for the Russian side, even fighting for it and has or planning to move to it. Do not forget the DPR and LPR are Ukrainians fighting a civil war.
 

pmc

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There is no silver bullet solution to the poor shape the Russian forces are presently in. You will need a full spectrum modernisation for them to fight like they should be able to, and that is going to require arms supplies on par with what NATO has been sending Ukraine.
where you get this information? Ukraine itself admitted that there are about 450 aircraft and 430 choppers in the battlefield
This first battlefield where combat aircraft and combat helicopters given equal importance from the start.
among those 450 aircrafts most of them will be Su-25SM. its all part of low altitude attack pattern that no one has applied on this scale.
Ukraine has been unable to capture any number of Russian pilots relative to thousands of sorties.

the guided missile part is 7,000 by early October. since most of Su-25SM will be using rockets and unguided bombs that will be multiple of that numbers.
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Russian combat aircraft have conducted over 34,000 sorties in the special military operation in Ukraine, employing over 7,000 guided munitions.

Su-25 have been given extensive training over the years.
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During the winter training period, Su-25SM3 pilots operating as part of the Southern Military District have flown more than 2,200 sorties with the practical use of standard weapons.
 
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