J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

[siegecrossbow]

+ the most annoying is the space-based dependency for CMs (terrain, nav, imaging). Hard to get, but a potentially decisive force multiplier.

 

[by78]

A newly released old image.

 

[Franklin]

While watching this documentary I was thinking the whole time that the J-20 doesn't have a gun. The fact that they ommitted the gun on the J-20 is made out of the presumption that the J-20 would never have to merge with its opponents. But what if they are wrong ? If hypothetically a group of J-20 and F-35 were to merge the J-20 without a gun will be f**ked. They made that mistake decades ago when the early MiG-21 Fishbed didn't have a gun and the American F-4 Phantom pilots didn't train to use their guns. Because they thought they didn't need the gun anymore with the introduction of air to air missile's. And they were wrong. The F-4 Phantoms got hammered over Vietnam and the MiG-21 got hammered over the Middle East by the guns of their opponents. What if they are wrong again and the gun is still needed. When you need it and you don't have it you are in big trouble. Lets hope the new J-35 has a gun.

 

[latenlazy]

While watching this documentary I was thinking the whole time that the J-20 doesn't have a gun. The fact that they ommitted the gun on the J-20 is made out of the presumption that the J-20 would never have to merge with its opponents. But what if they are wrong ? If hypothetically a group of J-20 and F-35 were to merge the J-20 without a gun will be f**ked. They made that mistake decades ago when the early MiG-21 Fishbed didn't have a gun and the American F-4 Phantom pilots didn't train to use their guns. Because they thought they didn't need the gun anymore with the introduction of air to air missile's. And they were wrong. The F-4 Phantoms got hammered over Vietnam and the MiG-21 got hammered over the Middle East by the guns of their opponents. What if they are wrong again and the gun is still needed. When you need it and you don't have it you are in big trouble. Lets hope the new J-35 has a gun.

Pretty sure the J-20 will have a gun when it gets the WS-15.

 

[foxmulder]

A newly released old image.

Very cool image

 

[56860]

How accurate is this? 150+ in service according to Wikipedia

 

[foxmulder]

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How accurate is this? 150+ in service according to Wikipedia

Pretty accurate Source: My decades long Chinese air force / navy watching

 

[Jason_]

While watching this documentary I was thinking the whole time that the J-20 doesn't have a gun. The fact that they ommitted the gun on the J-20 is made out of the presumption that the J-20 would never have to merge with its opponents. But what if they are wrong ? If hypothetically a group of J-20 and F-35 were to merge the J-20 without a gun will be f**ked. They made that mistake decades ago when the early MiG-21 Fishbed didn't have a gun and the American F-4 Phantom pilots didn't train to use their guns. Because they thought they didn't need the gun anymore with the introduction of air to air missile's. And they were wrong. The F-4 Phantoms got hammered over Vietnam and the MiG-21 got hammered over the Middle East by the guns of their opponents. What if they are wrong again and the gun is still needed. When you need it and you don't have it you are in big trouble. Lets hope the new J-35 has a gun.

Modern day HOBS IIR Fox-2s plus HMD made guns completely obsolete as an air to air weapon.

 

[latenlazy]

Modern day HOBS IIR Fox-2s plus HMD made guns completely obsolete as an air to air weapon.

You get limited shots with IR missiles and there are countermeasures that can disrupt their kill odds.

 

[Derpy]

While watching this documentary I was thinking the whole time that the J-20 doesn't have a gun. The fact that they ommitted the gun on the J-20 is made out of the presumption that the J-20 would never have to merge with its opponents. But what if they are wrong ? If hypothetically a group of J-20 and F-35 were to merge the J-20 without a gun will be f**ked. They made that mistake decades ago when the early MiG-21 Fishbed didn't have a gun and the American F-4 Phantom pilots didn't train to use their guns. Because they thought they didn't need the gun anymore with the introduction of air to air missile's. And they were wrong. The F-4 Phantoms got hammered over Vietnam and the MiG-21 got hammered over the Middle East by the guns of their opponents. What if they are wrong again and the gun is still needed. When you need it and you don't have it you are in big trouble. Lets hope the new J-35 has a gun.

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The Gun was overrated even in Vietnam, most of the kills were with missiles and most of the Gun kills were early in the war.
The last Gun kill between fighters occurred more then 40 years ago. Missile technology have evolved since the Vietnam war.
But to answer your dilemma if the J-20 merge with an F35 and both were somehow alone it would be a fight over who gets their Fox 2 of quickest. And if both run out of missiles the J-20 can always outrun Fat Amy..