Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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ZeEa5KPul

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Am I right in thinking so far the PLA hasn't used much EW/ECW? Or at least the ROC hasn't reported on it?
Taiwan isn't going to report anything. It didn't report missiles overflying until Japan did, then it became "they were above the Karman line, so it wasn't overflying", and then they settled on "we have PAC-3s so we're fine." They're a joke.

As for the PLA using EW during this exercise, I doubt it for two reasons: First, it would be giving away sensitive information to hostile observers. Second, use them on what, the Cold War museum that calls itself a military?

OT, I know I've advocated that armed reunification occur only when China has prepared the groundwork for it and is ready to expand the scope of the conflict, but there is a part of me that wants it soon for one reason: I want to see Tsai get Saddam'ed. I really want to see the PLA drag her out of a hole.

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latenlazy

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Taiwan isn't going to report anything. It didn't report missiles overflying until Japan did, then it became "they were above the Karman line, so it wasn't overflying", and then they settled on "we have PAC-3s so we're fine." They're a joke.

As for the PLA using EW during this exercise, I doubt it for two reasons: First, it would be giving away sensitive information to hostile observers. Second, use them on what, the Cold War museum that calls itself a military?

OT, I know I've advocated that armed reunification occur only when China has prepared the groundwork for it and is ready to expand the scope of the conflict, but there is a part of me that wants it soon for one reason: I want to see Tsai get Saddam'ed. I really want to see the PLA drag her out of a hole.

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It’s not like the PLA isn’t using EW capabilities in their routine operations before these exercises (otherwise how can the US conclude things about the PLA’s EW capabilities). There are probably capabilities that they’re holding in reserve but there’s no reason why they wouldn’t use what capabilities they have revealed in other routine operations for these exercises.

EDIT: And the value of demonstrating some routine well known EW capabilities is to make the point that the PLA doesn’t even need to fire on Taiwan to cripple their defenses.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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This mongrel is the world's biggest liar and sht-stirrer. They are taught to lie at the CIA school, quoted by a senior US politican [whose name I forgot].
They made up stories and started the Iraqi war, and wars in other regions, especially in TW, why? I believe our learned, unbiased, forum members know.
They are taught to lie at the CIA school, quoted by a senior US politican [whose name I forgot
It's Mike "used to be Fat" Pompeo.
 

Chilled_k6

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Large numbers of DF-100 and DF-17s (2000? km range) are suited for Japan.

If DF-17s are $2 million each, that is comparable to Tomahawks and JASSM-ER/XRs at $1.5-2 Million
Note how the US has 4000 Tomahawks and 1000? JASSM-ER/XR
So they could buy at least 2000 DF-17s to keep Japanese airfields non-operational and also any naval ships that get within 2000km.

As for the DF-26, I think the only realistic target is Guam and the carriers.
If DF-17 is 1/10 the cost of DF-26, I'd totally be in favor of them procuring with as many DF-17s as possible. DF-26 would be good to degrade Guam and other 2nd island chain targets to the point where they are completely offline. After that, DF-17s would be the main anti-ship weapon against approaching carrier groups

If DF-17s are that cost efficient, I wonder how much a DF-27 would cost. I presume the DF-27 mounts a hypersonic glide vehicle like the DF-17? If it's about the same price or less than a DF-26 China should just make DF-27s instead of continuing with DF-26.
 

Nutrient

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A depopulation of the West would not be a bad thing, it would buy China more time to solve EROEI...
I assume you mean energy, as that is where the term EROEI is most commonly used. I think EROEI (Energy Recovered On Energy Invested) has already been solved; the solution just takes time to implement. As I noted in an earlier comment in another thread, the sun pours down thousands of times more energy than the whole world is currently using. So there's plenty of energy for China, for as long as Sol continues to shine.

The harsh reality is we live in a Negative Sum Game type of world
In principle, yes. But the entire human race is far from using up the energy that the Sun pours on Earth. There's plenty for all, for now and for far in the future; there's no need for anyone to grow at another's expense (the definition of negative sum).

Therefore China's BRI makes a lot of sense: there's enough energy to make it achievable. If all of what is now the Third World grows rich, why shouldn't China be happy?
 

jwnz

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Airbus would voluntarily give up China's airliner market, worth at least a trillion dollars? I doubt it. Remember the $billions that China recently paid to Airbus for 300 of its planes? That was just a start.
The EU is being put through a boot camp now to get used to having much lower living standards, so they will be well prepared to go even lower when they follow further orders from the master.
 

jwnz

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Pelosi thought she was doing Taiwan favours but China's was handed a fantastic opportunity to squeeze the renegade province.
Nope, I don't think she was thinking anything about Taiwan at all... other than how much she was getting paid to go there and how it would boost her own profile and divert attention from her other misdeeds at home.
 
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