Z-10 thread

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Are those 'boxes under the tailboom and under the front cockpit very recent additions? I can't remember seeing them before.

It seems so:

 

[HeroOftheFerelden]

By @探索月球

有源=AESA
天线=Antenna

 

[Black Shark]

Do you have more information on the separate systems like brochures or manufacturers published articles/stats?
ESM, MAWS, DIRCM, Radar and FLIR would be interesting to me.

 

[Albatross]

The Z-10 is a helicopter that is designed for low-altitude operations. It is actually not very suitable for Pakistan. It is quite understandable why it was the last choice.

Would Z-19 be better for high-altitude?

 

[aahyan]

The Z-10 is a helicopter that is designed for low-altitude operations. It is actually not very suitable for Pakistan. It is quite understandable why it was the last choice.

The incorrect perception; if this were the problem, PAA would never purchase Z10s despite the fact that there aren't many alternatives available.

 

[KampfAlwin]

The Z-10 is a helicopter that is designed for low-altitude operations. It is actually not very suitable for Pakistan. It is quite understandable why it was the last choice.

If I am not mistaken, I thought Z-10s were deployed in Tibet? Is that not high altitude?

 

[lcloo]

If I am not mistaken, I thought Z-10s were deployed in Tibet? Is that not high altitude?

Yes, Z10 has been in deployment on Tibetan Plateau, and it is one of few Chinese helicopters capable of highland operation.

Pakistani preferred Turkish T-129 over Z10 was because T-129 has higher rate of climb due to its higher power to weight rate ratio. And T-129's excellent climb rate is due to fitting two very powerful engine in lieu of the original engines on Agusta A129. (Agusta A129 has similar climb rate as Z10).

Augusta A129 engine power = 664KW X 2
T-129 engine powe = 1,014KW X 2

T-129 is a derivative of Augusta A129, both have similar weights.

 

[tphuang]

Yes, Z10 has been in deployment on Tibetan Plateau, and it is one of few Chinese helicopters capable of highland operation.

Pakistani preferred Turkish T-129 over Z10 was because T-129 has higher rate of climb due to its higher power to weight rate ratio. And T-129's excellent climb rate is due to fitting two very powerful engine in lieu of the original engines on Agusta A129. (Agusta A129 has similar climb rate as Z10).

Augusta A129 engine power = 664KW X 2
T-129 engine powe = 1,014KW X 2

T-129 is a derivative of Augusta A129, both have similar weights.

That was my understanding too, but it's quite clear z10 has better power to weight ratio now. That's allowing it to carry more armor and sensors. Whether or not it matches t129 in rate of climb is a different question. I would expect wz9 to continue to improve over time. They said wz9g can generate 1200kw. Who knows if that's true.

The big advantage for z10 is it's huge range. That makes a lot of sense for pla, but not so much for Pakistan.

 

[zszczhyx]

The Z-10 is a helicopter that is designed for low-altitude operations. It is actually not very suitable for Pakistan. It is quite understandable why it was the last choice.

Wrong. China has very many plateaus and the average altitude is very high, so engineers have to consider their performance at high altitude from the start when developing the vast majority of their weaponry. And the Z-10 is already deployed on the Tibetan Plateau and performing missions.

 

[BoraTas]

If I am not mistaken, I thought Z-10s were deployed in Tibet? Is that not high altitude?

True but as icloo said the Pakistani army placed a premium on the high-climb rate and maneuverability in high altitudes. T-129 was much better at that because that is mostly about excess engine power. The Z-10 should have become much better because of the increased engine power though.