AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Re: Liu Xiang out - bad luck!
Bravo bd popeye!
Better you say it than me.
Bravo bd popeye!
Better you say it than me.
The Olympic Legacy in China
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Re: Taiwan's Olympic Dream
I am shattered...../ of course this can apply to every other country. Good management and good players go together, while if one isnt good....say good bye....
Bad management prolongs Taiwanese nightmare
By Jackson Broder
CONTRIBUTING REPORTER IN TAICHUNG
Wednesday, Aug 20, 2008, Page 1
Taiwan’s baseball team fell to Team USA 4-2 last night, dropping to 1-5 as its Olympic nightmare in Beijing continued. They fell just short in a close game that might have been won with forward-thinking managing.
Team USA starter Brandon Knight picked up the win with 6 1/3 solid innings of work, outdueling Taiwanese starter Hsu Wen-hsiung.
Knight and Hsu traded scoreless frames through four innings until Taiwan broke the scoring drought in the top of the fifth when shortstop Lin Che-shen scored on first baseman Matt Brown’s error, giving the team a 1-0 lead.
The US responded quickly in the bottom of the 5th on Brian Barden’s RBI double to right-center field, scoring Dexter Fowler and tying the game at 1-1.
The US got to Hsu in the bottom of the sixth when US catcher Lou Marson led off the inning with a solo shot to left field, a missile that put the team up 2-1.
Shortstop Jason Donald walked, and then scored on Fowler’s double down the left field line off reliever Lee Chen-chang to make it 3-1.
Lin homered in the top of the seventh inning to pull the game within one run, but the US added an insurance run in the top of the eighth when Donald singled in outfielder John Gall, making the score 4-2.
US reliever Kevin Jepsen worked a perfect ninth to pick up the save.
Taiwan manager Hong Yi-chen continued his pattern of erratic substitution patterns and questionable bullpen management, again sticking with pitchers too long and hurting his team’s chances of victory in a winnable game. His bizarre substitution of Chiang Chien-ming for fellow outfielder Lin Che-hsuan during the fifth inning cost the team one of its few left-handed bats.
Hong will be questioned for not removing a fatigued Hsu after the fifth inning, and not putting in lefty specialist Ni Fu-te to face a string of left-handed hitters in the US lineup.
The US instead pounced on Hsu and righty sidearmer Lee in the sixth, putting the team up for good.
Out of contention for the finals, Taiwan play their final game against Canada tonight at 6pm.
In other results, Canada walked over the Netherlands 4-0, South Korea downed Cuba 7-4 and China were annihilated by Japan 10-0 after the mercy rule was invoked.
I am shattered...../ of course this can apply to every other country. Good management and good players go together, while if one isnt good....say good bye....
Bad management prolongs Taiwanese nightmare
By Jackson Broder
CONTRIBUTING REPORTER IN TAICHUNG
Wednesday, Aug 20, 2008, Page 1
Taiwan’s baseball team fell to Team USA 4-2 last night, dropping to 1-5 as its Olympic nightmare in Beijing continued. They fell just short in a close game that might have been won with forward-thinking managing.
Team USA starter Brandon Knight picked up the win with 6 1/3 solid innings of work, outdueling Taiwanese starter Hsu Wen-hsiung.
Knight and Hsu traded scoreless frames through four innings until Taiwan broke the scoring drought in the top of the fifth when shortstop Lin Che-shen scored on first baseman Matt Brown’s error, giving the team a 1-0 lead.
The US responded quickly in the bottom of the 5th on Brian Barden’s RBI double to right-center field, scoring Dexter Fowler and tying the game at 1-1.
The US got to Hsu in the bottom of the sixth when US catcher Lou Marson led off the inning with a solo shot to left field, a missile that put the team up 2-1.
Shortstop Jason Donald walked, and then scored on Fowler’s double down the left field line off reliever Lee Chen-chang to make it 3-1.
Lin homered in the top of the seventh inning to pull the game within one run, but the US added an insurance run in the top of the eighth when Donald singled in outfielder John Gall, making the score 4-2.
US reliever Kevin Jepsen worked a perfect ninth to pick up the save.
Taiwan manager Hong Yi-chen continued his pattern of erratic substitution patterns and questionable bullpen management, again sticking with pitchers too long and hurting his team’s chances of victory in a winnable game. His bizarre substitution of Chiang Chien-ming for fellow outfielder Lin Che-hsuan during the fifth inning cost the team one of its few left-handed bats.
Hong will be questioned for not removing a fatigued Hsu after the fifth inning, and not putting in lefty specialist Ni Fu-te to face a string of left-handed hitters in the US lineup.
The US instead pounced on Hsu and righty sidearmer Lee in the sixth, putting the team up for good.
Out of contention for the finals, Taiwan play their final game against Canada tonight at 6pm.
In other results, Canada walked over the Netherlands 4-0, South Korea downed Cuba 7-4 and China were annihilated by Japan 10-0 after the mercy rule was invoked.
Re: Liu Xiang out - bad luck!
AssassinsMace, I asked you twice or more, and you couldn't say it to my face.
Chinese Taipei didn't win any championships after 1996 because they weren't in the Little League anymore......because of problems of maximum size of player pools and number of participating teams in leagues based at schools in Taiwan, and residency requirements. Nothing to do with age.
We only entered the league once again after 2003. Meaning of course our players are inexperienced and probably aren't that likely against other countries to win the championships.
AssassinsMace, I asked you twice or more, and you couldn't say it to my face.
Chinese Taipei didn't win any championships after 1996 because they weren't in the Little League anymore......because of problems of maximum size of player pools and number of participating teams in leagues based at schools in Taiwan, and residency requirements. Nothing to do with age.
We only entered the league once again after 2003. Meaning of course our players are inexperienced and probably aren't that likely against other countries to win the championships.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Re: Liu Xiang out - bad luck!
Don't take it personally. I didn't say it at all to anyone. It was much more fun this way. Just like Golly's quiz.
Don't take it personally. I didn't say it at all to anyone. It was much more fun this way. Just like Golly's quiz.
Re: Liu Xiang out - bad luck!
Kliu0..I'm not doubting you but...Are you sure about this? I know the Little Leauge is a big deal in the ROC. Seems strange they would just "drop out"..
Kliu0..I'm not doubting you but...Are you sure about this? I know the Little Leauge is a big deal in the ROC. Seems strange they would just "drop out"..
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Re: Liu Xiang out - bad luck!
Still doesn't explain the time they did play and those suspicions that came up then.
Still doesn't explain the time they did play and those suspicions that came up then.
Re: Liu Xiang out - bad luck!
Yea, I'm pretty sure. Wikipedia has an article on it, I checked through some old news on the Little League website. You can google it.
They dropped out because the ROC didn't agree with the Little League on the new rules/revised rules and enforcement of them. But yea, we did drop out. So no suspicions on the age of their team.
Um....the players might be taller because the majority of the players which played weren't mainland chinese nor "taiwanese", instead they were 'mountain people' or indigenous people of Taiwan which lived up in the mountains (chased away a few centuries by the settlers). They are known for their great athletic skills, singing and dancing.
Hope that clears up some murky perceptions.
Yea, I'm pretty sure. Wikipedia has an article on it, I checked through some old news on the Little League website. You can google it.
They dropped out because the ROC didn't agree with the Little League on the new rules/revised rules and enforcement of them. But yea, we did drop out. So no suspicions on the age of their team.
Um....the players might be taller because the majority of the players which played weren't mainland chinese nor "taiwanese", instead they were 'mountain people' or indigenous people of Taiwan which lived up in the mountains (chased away a few centuries by the settlers). They are known for their great athletic skills, singing and dancing.
Hope that clears up some murky perceptions.
RollingWave
New Member
Re: Taiwan's Olympic Dream
Population is also a major issue. it's not just the money.
There is a good reason that the top two medal winning country also happens to be top 3 in population.
With that said though, Taiwan indeed doesn't spend enough on sports policies in general, and i'm not really just looking at Olympic medals. even for baseball. there's very little qualified fields avalible to the public here. it has gotten better in recent years. but no where near enough. and this comes from a guy that really plays and love the sport.
Population is also a major issue. it's not just the money.
There is a good reason that the top two medal winning country also happens to be top 3 in population.
With that said though, Taiwan indeed doesn't spend enough on sports policies in general, and i'm not really just looking at Olympic medals. even for baseball. there's very little qualified fields avalible to the public here. it has gotten better in recent years. but no where near enough. and this comes from a guy that really plays and love the sport.
Re: Taiwan's Olympic Dream
Thats true, the government doesn't provide enough funding. However not only that, the few good fields and sport arenas are too expensive for renting. The people in Taiwan aren't really sport oriented. Until these past few years, where baseball fans have doubled. There is need for money, increased population contact with sport and better infrastructure.
Thats true, the government doesn't provide enough funding. However not only that, the few good fields and sport arenas are too expensive for renting. The people in Taiwan aren't really sport oriented. Until these past few years, where baseball fans have doubled. There is need for money, increased population contact with sport and better infrastructure.
FriedRiceNSpice
Captain
Re: Liu Xiang out - bad luck!
Which country is going to openly admit, "we are leaving the league since we are cheating?" The writing on the wall is clear for all to see- that they made a bogus excuse to save face... no one gives up Little League and the money it generates as well as the positive effects on baseball in the nation due to disagreement over, "player pools... number of teams." Although I cannot say that they were in fact cheating since I don't have that evidence, I do point out that to any neutral observer, the circumstances appear very fishy, especially given then excuses/explanations that the sports officials in Taipei are giving.
But then again, since you did thorough research on wikipedia I must give you some credibility...
Anyways, I hope you two can lay this matter to rest and focus back on Liu Xiang. At the age of 25... do you guys think its possible for him to make a comeback in London? His tendon injury has been around for four years, but there is a possiblity that the flare up this time around may be career-ending.
Which country is going to openly admit, "we are leaving the league since we are cheating?" The writing on the wall is clear for all to see- that they made a bogus excuse to save face... no one gives up Little League and the money it generates as well as the positive effects on baseball in the nation due to disagreement over, "player pools... number of teams." Although I cannot say that they were in fact cheating since I don't have that evidence, I do point out that to any neutral observer, the circumstances appear very fishy, especially given then excuses/explanations that the sports officials in Taipei are giving.
But then again, since you did thorough research on wikipedia I must give you some credibility...
Anyways, I hope you two can lay this matter to rest and focus back on Liu Xiang. At the age of 25... do you guys think its possible for him to make a comeback in London? His tendon injury has been around for four years, but there is a possiblity that the flare up this time around may be career-ending.
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