Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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Has anyone considered that China is playing a trick on Biden, like the Agent Tai meme. China knows the tariffs are disproportionately hurting US more, so China doesn't actually want US to remove the tariffs. By constantly telling the US to remove tariffs, China is increasing Biden's domestic pressure, since if he removes them he will look weak for the domestic audience.

If China really wanted Biden to remove the tariffs China would have just kept quiet.
Here's what I think. Out of Biden and Trump, China would rather have Trump. Biden plays dirty. The recent Xinjiang labor laws passed in the guise of 'human rights' shows there is no limit to how low this senile rat would stoop to constrain China's development. Trump is also trying to constrain China's development, but at least sanctioning China from western tech is a legitimate weapon the US possesses on account of its tremendous influence. It's nowhere near as dirty, and has also backfired hilariously by doing something not even the CPC could achieve: kick China's indigenous tech development into overdrive.

Another thing is that Trump is an incredibly divisive figure, perhaps the most divisive US president to date. You either love him or hate him. He's very useful at creating disunity not only within the US, but also between the US and its allies.

So with that being said, I agree with your line of thought; China's gameplan is to egg Biden to lower tariffs, and if he does, proceed to loudly and proudly declare that Biden's weakness has led to America throwing in the towel against China (the right-wing MSM is going to have an absolute field day with this). The Biden administration can either choose between inflation or humiliation at the hands of China. It's a lose lose situation, and if all goes to plan we will hopefully see Comrade Trump manning the helm again in 2024.
 
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Well, well the big chief himself spoke Sanction will not work and end up hurting oneself
Chinese President Xi Jinping on Wednesday said the act of willfully imposing sanctions will bring disasters to people around the world. Xi made the remarks in his keynote speech delivered in virtual format at the opening ceremony of the BRICS Business Forum. Describing sanctions as a boomerang and a double-edged sword, Xi said those who politicize, leverage and weaponize the global economy and willfully impose sanctions by taking advantage of their dominance in the international financial and monetary systems will eventually harm others and themselves and bring disasters to people around the world.
 

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Here's what I think. Out of Biden and Trump, China would rather have Trump. Biden plays dirty. The recent Xinjiang labor laws passed in the guise of 'human rights' shows there is no limit to how low this senile rat would stoop to constrain China's development. Trump is also trying to constrain China's development, but at least sanctioning China from western tech is a legitimate weapon the US possesses on account of its tremendous influence. It's nowhere near as dirty, and has also backfired hilariously by doing something not even the CPC could achieve: kick China's indigenous tech development into overdrive.

Another thing is that Trump is an incredibly divisive figure, perhaps the most divisive US president to date. You either love him or hate him. He's very useful at creating disunity not only within the US, but also between the US and its allies.

So with that being said, I agree with your line of thought; China's gameplan is to egg Biden to lower tariffs, and if he does, proceed to loudly and proudly declare that Biden's weakness has led to America throwing in the towel against China (the right-wing MSM is going to have an absolute field day with this). The Biden administration can either choose between inflation or humiliation at the hands of China. It's a lose lose situation, and if all goes to plan we will hopefully see Comrade Trump manning the helm again in 2024.
I think your analysis makes sense. I think Biden wanted the same thing as Trump did, that was a "Trade deal" (phase 1) to look good for the domestic audience. If China really dislikes Biden, which most of us think so, China wouldn't agree to any sort of trade deal with Biden to help him in domestic politics. The most Biden will get is probably a mutual reduction in tariffs after Biden drops his first.
 

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Has anyone considered that China is playing a trick on Biden, like the Agent Tai meme. China knows the tariffs are disproportionately hurting US more, so China doesn't actually want US to remove the tariffs. By constantly telling the US to remove tariffs, China is increasing Biden's domestic pressure, since if he removes them he will look weak for the domestic audience.

If China really wanted Biden to remove the tariffs China would have just kept quiet.

The Chinese are always like this, the official government.

That is why the Chinese are not easy to deal with.

Good.

Damn bleep-bleep bleep-bleep bleep.

:D
 

Michaelsinodef

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I think your analysis makes sense. I think Biden wanted the same thing as Trump did, that was a "Trade deal" (phase 1) to look good for the domestic audience. If China really dislikes Biden, which most of us think so, China wouldn't agree to any sort of trade deal with Biden to help him in domestic politics. The most Biden will get is probably a mutual reduction in tariffs after Biden drops his first.
Not even, it really seems like China would just fold their arms and wait some weeks to months after the US lower tariffs, before they actually would remove/lower their tariffs.

And well that's completely unacceptable for the US, if anything, lowering/removing tariffs like say, 48 hours after the US removes theirs, is probably not acceptable for the Biden administration either lol.
 

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Here's what I think. Out of Biden and Trump, China would rather have Trump. Biden plays dirty. The recent Xinjiang labor laws passed in the guise of 'human rights' shows there is no limit to how low this senile rat would stoop to constrain China's development. Trump is also trying to constrain China's development, but at least sanctioning China from western tech is a legitimate weapon the US possesses on account of its tremendous influence. It's nowhere near as dirty, and has also backfired hilariously by doing something not even the CPC could achieve: kick China's indigenous tech development into overdrive.

Another thing is that Trump is an incredibly divisive figure, perhaps the most divisive US president to date. You either love him or hate him. He's very useful at creating disunity not only within the US, but also between the US and its allies.

So with that being said, I agree with your line of thought; China's gameplan is to egg Biden to lower tariffs, and if he does, proceed to loudly and proudly declare that Biden's weakness has led to America throwing in the towel against China (the right-wing MSM is going to have an absolute field day with this). The Biden administration can either choose between inflation or humiliation at the hands of China. It's a lose lose situation, and if all goes to plan we will hopefully see Comrade Trump manning the helm again in 2024.
Trump is better for China because he's not bound by ideology. Trump is willing to talk to anyone and you can deal with him in a transactional way. Biden is an ideological bigot who can't make agreements with China because he fundamentally believes that the communist party is an illegitimate government. Trump was rude, but he had some respect for negotiation partners. Biden is a liar who will have a positive meeting with China and then turn around and sanction another Chinese company the next day.

Trump would stop meddling with Xinjiang if China gives him something, like better market access for American products. Biden, as a social justice warrior, isn't able to stop interfering in China's affairs, no matter what China offers to placate him. So let's hope Trump is back soon. The divisions he causes in the west are a positive side effect
 

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Trump is better for China because he's not bound by ideology. Trump is willing to talk to anyone and you can deal with him in a transactional way. Biden is an ideological bigot who can't make agreements with China because he fundamentally believes that the communist party is an illegitimate government. Trump was rude, but he had some respect for negotiation partners. Biden is a liar who will have a positive meeting with China and then turn around and sanction another Chinese company the next day.

Trump would stop meddling with Xinjiang if China gives him something, like better market access for American products. Biden, as a social justice warrior, isn't able to stop interfering in China's affairs, no matter what China offers to placate him. So let's hope Trump is back soon. The divisions he causes in the west are a positive side effect
Biden will probably be the last leader that seemingly can be used as a prop against China because whether Kamala or Trump comes in after, the division they will cause will be beyond the scope of the Neo cons to control given not only how divisive they are but also how incompetent they as well.
 

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Seriously though, she is right. The tariffs are only a small portion of the inflation. The much bigger problem is the trillions dollars of the extra money printed by the central banks. These "wealth on paper" do not have the actual goods to support its face value.

I don't think Biden and his team are overlooking this. But it's a myth that nobody is speaking out.
The tariffs are only a "small portion" of the inflation, but every little bit helps. As a matter of fact, dollar printing and Euro printing affect the entire world, because the markets are global. China, the biggest commodity importer of the world has had to cope with much hyper inflated prices, and yet has low consumer inflation and manageable producer inflation.

The reason for this is that China itself takes a piece-meal approach to inflation, trying to cool energy prices at the end of last year, for example. China does this mostly through market intervention (buying and selling commodities) as well as regulation. Biden was copying an Chinese method when he released oil from the strategic reserve. In fact, China has not only a strategic oil reserve (for war, embargo, etc.) but also a commercial strategic reserve whose aim is to help stabilize prices. It also maintains stocks of metals, of grains, and of frozen food for the same purpose.

The tariffs never caused much direct pain, as they only affected areas that would have moved elsewhere anyway. It was the unpredictability in those years which caused problems, but at this point all of the shifts and adjustments which resulted from the tariffs are complete. If tariffs were to come off, It would be silly to undo those adjustments completely, because the tariffs can be reimposed at any time. Therefore, China does not care very much if the tariffs come or go.

Has anyone considered that China is playing a trick on Biden, like the Agent Tai meme. China knows the tariffs are disproportionately hurting US more, so China doesn't actually want US to remove the tariffs. By constantly telling the US to remove tariffs, China is increasing Biden's domestic pressure, since if he removes them he will look weak for the domestic audience.

If China really wanted Biden to remove the tariffs China would have just kept quiet.
China is trolling Biden, but is not playing a trick. China has consistently said that all of the tariffs must come off, thus letting the US now beforehand that releasing some tariffs only to benefit the US will not be seen as an "olive branch". China's position makes it clear for Biden that both choices are bad for the US because that's what friends are for. But I don't think China cares which way it goes.

I also don't think China cares (@dengyeye) whether Biden, Trump or someone else comes in 2025. Biden's policy is not a change from Trump; it is simply a refinement. The establishment, if it is unable to block Trump, will find a way to manipulate/convince/force him to continue the refinements or "improvements", and to add some new ones. Either way none of it is working, because the core of the strategy, it's basic goals, are not based on reality.
 

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I also don't think China cares (@dengyeye) whether Biden, Trump or someone else comes in 2025. Biden's policy is not a change from Trump; it is simply a refinement. The establishment, if it is unable to block Trump, will find a way to manipulate/convince/force him to continue the refinements or "improvements", and to add some new ones. Either way none of it is working, because the core of the strategy, it's basic goals, are not based on reality.

I really doubt they can force Trump to do anything he doesn’t want. Trump has a huge ego and Trump does what Trump wants. Either way, him coming back would just delay or throw a wrench in any of the globalist establishment plans.
 
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