What is bewildering is, the PLA is not russian grunt level, it is sad that hickups like this happen, PLA must hold those exporters accountable. Oxide may be pilot but he sure has experience with infantry stuff.
Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.
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Am I the only one taking crazy pills, or are people just assuming that the products being displayed are the actual OEM for the PLA..?
This seems like a rather major logical leap which needs to be overcome first, before considering any other consequences.
No you are definitely not. People are jumping the gun. We don’t know his source and whether or not it is legit. Plus, Russia and China are two completely different beasts due to the difference in living standards, economic composition, and etc. Russia may be loose with their infantry gear getting sold but China is much more restrictive. For all we know, he may have received one of those third party replicas that we have seen in the past.
I was under the impression that those are PLA issued gears , which are hard to come by , the commercial stuff I am aware of , but the are quite different a lot of times from my experience.The companies that make this kind of gear can also sell things commercially, afterall you can buy some of the PLA's optics used in armia 2021 competition by the airborne troops on amazon right now as we speak with 2 day shipping (red dot + magnifier). If it wasn't for the sanctions I presume companies like Norinco would be selling all kinds of stuff in the USA.
Oxide does mention that he made an account here via twitter (time to flex on us w/ his donations and gear); it'll be cool to discuss this thing and have others chime in. On instagram he mentions publically that there's no proof marks on the helmet so it might be some commerical variant. If you guys want here's his instagram link:
Or maybe contact him elsewhere too:
Chinese companies do sell commercial armor, so I presume if there's no PLA specific markings then this could be commercial armor with potentially similar characteristics, the issued armor is not something really special other than that the grunts finally even get armor in the first place considering in terms of proportion of the economy China doesn't spend much on military, and out of the small (relatively) military budget a lot is being spent on other items with something like standard issued body armor only really coming into play during the 2020s which is a long time coming.
The armor + helmet has a decent chance of being something commercial if I am to go by what Oxide says, and then stuff like the helmet cover and plate carrier, I think has a good chance of being PLA issued, it has already been 3 years and these things aren't top secret, I mean you can buy some of the standard issued PLA kit pre 2019 for many years already as surplus. What is so secret about a plate carrier that you issue out to grunts?
TLDR; Would be interesting to see more details and hear US soldier's perspective & maybe we can dig deeper into this stuff, maybe get bltizo in here too.
Now that a classic kit , missing 2 red strips on the collar for the full iconic look
Yeah you are right, I pointed out what oxide said on instagram but I'll send the specific link.
So in the end without any markings, and the fact that over the span of decades we haven't seen any PLA qbz 95 or 95-1, or any 5.8mm get smuggled out along with some other basic gear (aside from airsoft or other replicas that are in abundance), we'll just have to wait and see if there's anything concrete. So far if we go along with what we're told this ain't it.
Correct, there's export variants but even stuff like the cs/lr4 is different domestically. If it's gear from the police then the likelihood of commerical gear and so forth is much more common. We've seen here and on bilibili, some police have Russian Orsis T-5000 rifles bought on the market with all the associated kit. Though honestly it all depends, some things used by PLA you can purchase off the shelf (at US market pricing of course), here's an example here:
As far as I'm aware this is the optic used in Armia 2021 competition, maybe a branding difference but that's about it. This isn't just police gear, but something that PLA uses.
It’s not impossible that these gears are actually PLA kits, a few years ago, a batch of NVGs was being sold on the internet(a free ticket to the jail),but I don’t like the odds, PLA kits would have a check mark on it some where, even so, it’s really easy to duplicate .
There are actual APFSDS sabots on 咸鱼 and rare experimental rounds like 10mm, you would be surprised I’d leave you with that
There are actual APFSDS sabots on 咸鱼 and rare experimental rounds like 10mm, you would be surprised I’d leave you with that
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Chill out and use your eyes. These are obviously not the real deal. Focus on the collars and the chest area and compare them to genuine PLA uniforms. See any difference? Also, the real uniforms have pockets on both arms.
Come on now, seriously!
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Oh thanks.Chill out and use your eyes. These are obviously not the real deal. Focus on the collars and the chest area and compare them to genuine PLA uniforms. See any difference? Also, the real uniforms have pockets on both arms.
Come on now, seriously!