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supercat

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It is almost 100% related to Ukraine.

Just earlier today, Japan announced they are sending a delegation to Taiwan on Thursday.

They want to punish China for not back stabbing Russia. Also because Russia is slowing grinding Ukrainians down on the Donbas front with destroying logistics and heavy artillery.
Funny, so the West, and the "honorary West" - Japan, know that the Ukraine War is lost and all they can do now is throwing temper tantrum on China like hopeless little kids.

Nobody wants to die for you in Asia - cry ab it!

I have my fingers crossed for Lula. Last time someone attempted a similar stunt and tried to create a gold-backed pan-Africa currency, his country was promptly bombed by NATO and he was sodomized and summarily executed by the U.S./NATO supported "rebels". Remember Gaddafi?
 

BoraTas

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Tbf the US is still the hegemon, there are not a lot of things that China can do to counter this except to keep working hard to develop itself.

So, the current Chinese approach is fine imo
I disagree with this one. The US wants a slow and partial decoupling. It wants to sabotage Chinese companies while still having its other economic relations with China. China shouldn't allow this. For this Hikvision ban, which directly aims to destroy the company, I would come with these three measures.
1- Ban Chinese companies and China divisions of foreign companies from severing their ties with hikvision.
2- Erase a major US tech company from China.
3- Declare that every secondary sanction will be retaliated in kind.

This is a scorched earth approach that would hurt China more but it doesn't give the US its desired controlled and unpainful decoupling. China is the faster growing side. Any relative loss would be recovered automatically with time. Since there are elections in the USA this may truly deter politicians from pressing on. Economics are always substantially more important in elections compared to foreign policy.

Note: The US investment to China is actually not that high. It is like 5% of total FDI into China AFAIK.
 

9dashline

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I disagree with this one. The US wants a slow and partial decoupling. It wants to sabotage Chinese companies while still having its other economic relations with China. China shouldn't allow this. For this Hikvision ban, which directly aims to destroy the company, I would come with these three measures.
1- Ban Chinese companies and China divisions of foreign companies from severing their ties with hikvision.
2- Erase a major US tech company from China.
3- Declare that every secondary sanction will be retaliated in kind.

This is a scorched earth approach that would hurt China more but it doesn't give the US its desired controlled and unpainful decoupling. China is the faster growing side. Any relative loss would be recovered automatically with time. Since there are elections in the USA this may truly deter politicians from pressing on. Economics are always substantially more important in elections compared to foreign policy.

Note: The US investment to China is actually not that high. It is like 5% of total FDI into China AFAIK.
Time to put the squeeze on Apple and that CIA owned Tesla
 

BoraTas

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Time to put the squeeze on Apple and that CIA owned Tesla
I don't know, really.

It seems the US government is going to declare Hikvision equivalent of a terrorist organization. It bans any interaction with the entity globally (facilitated by threatening sanctions on everyone). It seems even its employees become something like criminals under US law. This is not an export control or import ban. This *should* have consequences. China should really ban all entities in China (regardless of their origin) from complying with these sanctions. Let's play the chicken.
 

9dashline

Captain
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I don't know, really.

It seems the US government is going to declare Hikvision equivalent of a terrorist organization. It bans any interaction with the entity globally (facilitated by threatening sanctions on everyone). It seems even its employees become something like criminals under US law. This is not an export control or import ban. This *should* have consequences. China should really ban all entities in China (regardless of their origin) from complying with these sanctions. Let's play the chicken.
America is in the worst shape of its short 250 year life to play chicken with China right now.... I say China must call the US bluff on this... Kill Apple for revenge of Huawei
 

OppositeDay

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Well, Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, a de facto provincial level government entity, is already on the list. For China, a complete de-coupling is bad. Targeting Apple is particularly stupid as it uses a lot of Chinese companies in its supply chain. Maybe Boeing is a better target? Sanction them for Taiwan arms sales.
 

Coalescence

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I don't know, really.

It seems the US government is going to declare Hikvision equivalent of a terrorist organization. It bans any interaction with the entity globally (facilitated by threatening sanctions on everyone). It seems even its employees become something like criminals under US law. This is not an export control or import ban. This *should* have consequences. China should really ban all entities in China (regardless of their origin) from complying with these sanctions. Let's play the chicken.
The problem with banning entities in China from complying with this sanction is it will only help save some of Hikvision's business ties, but not help them grow their business relations in the future, so it doesn't help with their future prospects.

I have some ideas on how the government and Hikvision circumvent this problem.
1. Make Hikvision "not exist", by splintering it to multiple groups and obscuring its operations and employees. This makes it harder for US to execute their sanctions on the individuals.
2. Make like 100+ shell companies in China, with the sole purpose of rebranding Hikvision cameras to sell overseas. Make it a game of whack a mole for them.

As for retaliation, a highly damaging yet covert way of harming the US, is making patent protection and litigations intentionally harder for US business companies by prolonging the legal process for them to decades and making filling for them expensive. Eventually the Chinese companies will take the hint, that they can circumvent US patents with no short-term risk.
 
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