Ukrainian War Developments

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McVitas

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True or not, this is the kind of informational and psychological warfare that I feel is a bit lacking thus far from Russia. Ukraine basically outright lies in so many instances but that artificially boosts morale to keep fighting longer. At least in this instance, there's plausibility since there is a video of a supposed Azov base in aftermath of hit. There's also video of Azov troops preventing civilians from leaving Mariupol and deploying next to residential buildings as cover. Now the Russians can start building a propaganda case against these guys and the hope is to incite some divide among the Ukrainians.

On another note, I find it hilarious the Kadyrov Chechens have been front and center of PR Campaign. Guiding lost civilians, distributing supplies, helping people trapped in dark basements. Lol your friendly neighborhood Chechenman.
"There's also video of Azov troops preventing civilians from leaving Mariupol and deploying next to residential buildings as cover."
Can you please be specific and post link to that video? If it already was here somewhere then I am sorry, I was waiting for my account activation.
 

Fede_LV

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Agreed with your point on the I'm practicality of Ukraine operating a clandestine airforce. The logistics is messy, and too visible to the enemy to pull off.

On why the Ukrainian leadership want to go down the road of more bloodshed with Russia. This is how I see it. Large portions of the Ukrainian leadership, are either open Nazis or closet Nazis. They view the Russians as 'untermenschen'. Therefore they cannot accept getting beaten by Russia. They intend to fight Russia with as many Ukrainians they could throw at them, in hopes that Russia eventually tires out, or NATO intervenes. I have a strong feeling that they want to pull off a 'Battle of Berlin' against the Russians in Kiev and other major cities.

On your point of missing the pragmatism of Trump. Here I have to disagree. There was nothing pragmatic about Trump. While he confesses his admiration for Putin, he had also scrapped the INF treaty with Russia, impose more sanctions, and launched CAATSA. Trump was even worse on China and Iran. Openly hostile to both. We don't need to discuss what he did to them here. But don't get me wrong, Biden is no better. In fact they are both just different faces on the same American monster.
My Trump comment was sarcastic. I agree with you.
 

Mohsin77

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Bizarre Russian tactics, I mean if you cant drive off the road due to the mud, then at least have infantry to cover both sides (+ front) of the road while advancing.

It looks bizarre because tanks are not meant for this type of maneuver. They're designed for rapid maneuvers in open terrain with combined arms, where ATGMs are outmatched (too slow, too fragile, can't deal with IR smokescreens) even without APS. But in a situation like this, MBTs are not an asset, they are a liability.

However, let's consider what this "situation" actually is. This is no longer a conventional fight. This is the Ukrainian army behaving like an irregular guerilla force. Which means they've given up trying to fight a conventional war and are just hoping Russia gives up or NATO intervenes, before their cities fall. So basically, they're still screwed.
 

Maikeru

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Very interesting podcast:

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UK to send more weapons - NLAW, Javelin, possibly Starstreak HV MANPAD:


Wallace gives details to MPs of further weapons shipments from UK for Ukraine​

Here is a fuller summary of what Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, said in his statement to MPs about the war in
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  • Wallace said the UK would be sending more weapons to Ukraine. He said the government was sending a small consignment of Javelin anti-tank missiles and is looking at sending Starstreak high-velocity manned portable anti-air missiles. The UK has already sent 3,615 anti-tank weapons, he said.
On 17 January, I announced to the House the government’s intention to supply military aid to the Ukrainian armed forces. The initial supply was to be 2,000 new light anti-tank weapons, smaller arms and ammunition. In response to further acts of aggression by Russia we have now increased that supply.
I can update the house as of today we will have delivered 3,615 NLAWs (anti-tank missiles) and will continue to deliver more. We will shortly be starting the delivery of small consignments of anti-tank Javelin missiles as well.
Wallace said the government was “bound by the decision to supply defensive systems” and not escalate the war. He went on:
In response to a Ukrainian request, the government has taken the decision to explore the donation of Starstreak high-velocity manned portable anti-air missiles. We believe that this system will remain within the definition of defensive weapons but will allow the Ukrainian force to better defend their skies.
We shall also be increasing the supplies of rations, medical equipment and other non-lethal military aid.
 

windsclouds2030

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#US Weapons of Mass Destruction in #Ukraine:
US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland admits Ukraine houses 'biological research facilities', fears #Russia could capture them

US admits Ukraine houses 'biological research facilities', fears Russia could capture them 20220309
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Again, remember:

This is NOT a Ukraine - Russia war

It is a #US - #Russia war.

#Ukraine would have signed a neutrality agreement with #Moscow in no time had the US kept its hegemony (and weapons) away and did not send weapons to Ukraine so Ukrainians can be killed.

Still on the #USBiolabs

Ukraine is merely a proxy, a sacrificial lamb, used by Washington to fight its adversaries, all these many decades!
 

Overbom

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"Taking a cursory look at Russian losses two weeks into the war, it reads less as a general failure to modernize, and more as a failure to maintain and properly support the equipment. Abandonment rate exceedingly high."

"Some capabilities still appear unused. From EW to remotely operated systems. Sporadic sightings, but no evidence of them systematically employed. I've seen several hypotheses out there as to why, but nothing convincing."

 

Overbom

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"Almayadeen reports that 450 fighters have arrived in Ukraine from northern Syria (of various nationalities), including fighter from HTS, which is a rebrand of Al Nusra, itself a rebrand of Al Qaeda.
Hate to say it, but we all saw this coming."

"All these stories about Putin "recruiting fighters from Syria" are pure projection. We all know who has a track record of arming proxies, ironically, such as Al Qaeda"


 

Abominable

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Ukraine has already gotten its EU application accepted. So that's at least something.
Having your application accepted is a big step away from becoming a member, Turkey applied nearly 40 years ago.
How poor Ukraine is matters little. Most Eastern European countries were quite poor when they gained EU membership.
Being poor makes a big difference. Do you have any idea of how much wealth has been transferred to the eastern block thanks to the EU? It makes aid to Africa seem next to nothing.

The EU budget isn't a bottomless money pit. The UK being out is one less net contributor. Even for the net recipients every euro being spent on Ukraine is one taken away from Poland, Romania, and the rest.

The accession of the eastern block countries was also in a time when western European countries were doing very well economically. Now all are in various states of recession, and very likely a full on depression. Migration from Ukraine will be much more than it ever was from the eastern block countries because of the greater economic disparity & war pushing people away.

The ultimate troll will be the UK telling the EU to let Ukraine join.
Ukraine also has a lot of political goodwill and a real champion in Poland, like the Baltic states had in the Nordic countries.
Europe will forget about the Ukraine about two months after this war is over. "Ukrainian" will just become synonymous in western Europe with criminal, rapist and considered generally undesirable just like we saw with Syrian, Kosovan and Afghan refugees.
Democratic constitution, corruption and miniority issues however matters.
All the unsolved issues with the Donbass region, Crimea and russian miniority would block EU entry indefinitely.
Ukraine might as well solve all these in any peace agreement with Russia.
In many ways EU membership comes will a lot more demands than NATO membership.
Nothing is free.
Ideally. the prospect of EU membership should form no part of these negotiations. That'll just represent the EU picking up the bill for a Ukrainian-Russian dispute (which I am not entirely opposed to).

If they are, Zelensky needs a firm date and achievable set of conditions for accession. Anything other than that will lead to pitchforks coming out for him.
 
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