Ukrainian War Developments

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Corona

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There's whole lot of luxury cars there.
I can easily spot several Mercedes models (including G wagon) and a Rolls Royce there.
Does this reflect somehow the attitude of the wealthy russians towards their government?
That's what it looks like.
If the champions rob the wealth of even ordinary civilians who got nothing to do with any thing, why wouldn't they support their country and government!
 

manqiangrexue

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No - if they did that it would only sow discontent towards Chinese amongst Russians. How Russians view Chinese is not much different from how the Europeans view Chinese.

Russia is not China's ally or friend. The two countries are just currently in a partnership of convenience due to common interests and perceived threats, mainly hegemonic Western imperialism. Russia would betray China the instant it would be in her advantage to do so. Don't forget, Russia has supplied advanced military equipment to just about every unfriendly neighbor that China has apart from Taiwan... even South Korea!

China must view Russia as a carefully managed partner rather than a strategic ally. Otherwise, China will only end up burnt in the end. Doubtlessly, in Putins mind, the USSR has suffered a betrayal from China in the Cold War and he would not hesitate to return the favor as long as it benefits him to do so.
I don't think so. While a generally agree to trust but verify and to never leave yourself vulnerable to even your "allies," I doubt Russia has any negative feeling towards China today, especially not from Putin believing that China betrayed the USSR. After all, China was helpless back then; it could do nothing militarily or economically to help the USSR. Also, people operate in the present, not the past. In the present, China and Russia need unity against the cowardly West, which only dares to fight by ganging up on isolated nations. We should form an iron clad relationship with Russia to counter it. Remember, when in doubt, do whatever the US doesn't want you to do.
 

zgx09t

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No - if they did that it would only sow discontent towards Chinese amongst Russians. How Russians view Chinese is not much different from how the Europeans view Chinese.

Russia is not China's ally or friend. The two countries are just currently in a partnership of convenience due to common interests and perceived threats, mainly hegemonic Western imperialism. Russia would betray China the instant it would be in her advantage to do so. Don't forget, Russia has supplied advanced military equipment to just about every unfriendly neighbor that China has apart from Taiwan... even South Korea!

China must view Russia as a carefully managed partner rather than a strategic ally. Otherwise, China will only end up burnt in the end. Doubtlessly, in Putins mind, the USSR has suffered a betrayal from China in the Cold War and he would not hesitate to return the favor as long as it benefits him to do so.

The nature and tone of above comment rather falls on the captious end of all possible spectrum.
Russia, as a great power, wouldn't expect free handouts in wide range of areas, except maybe in humanitarian aids, or things of that nature, which normally occurs from time to time, in a normal state to state relations showing goodwill and solidarity. If anybody expects Russia to even want free handouts, then that's their pure conjecture, nothing to do with Russia itself.
China already declared it will be normal commercial and trade relations as usual moving forward, Western sanctions don't apply to Sino-Russian sovereign relations. Western sanctions are not UN approved, therefore not legal under any international laws. That's the most daring tea bagging of China down the collective Western throats, you can even hear them old White men choking and gagging in those corridors of Western powers.
 

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Phead128

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If putin and Russia fails, NATO will have contained China and then its game over they will rob China for trillions and China might try again in a couple of hundred years.
Russia is good to distract US/NATO and reduce pressure on China, but China can defend itself with or without Russia. China has nuclear weapons and soon #1 economy on earth, so US/NATO will not rob jackshit from China. If anything, Russia needs China way more than vice-versa.
 

Synapsid

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It's illustrating American society with its military worship and war porn is always going to be pro military action because its people do not experience the consequences of those actions- perhaps the closest consequence would be 9/11- and it also demonstrates the collective cowardice of American society. Americans are pro war when it's someone else's ass on the line, but the moment when a draft is going to be called (highly likely in a NATO conflict with russia), you'll have an epidemic of 'bone spurs' amongst the american people.

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I've often wondered where the UK's historical animosity towards Russia comes from; was it because of the overthrow of the Tsar and the Royal Family's blood relations?
It dates back to the Great Game and the Crimean war of the 1850s, when British policy makers and tories/conservatives feared an Nascent Imperial Russia gaining access to the Med sea, taking Ottoman territories on the way to warm water port and expanding across Central, South Central Asia and North East Asia/Pacific, threatening British dominions and colonies and its position on the European continent. Also 19th century British liberals intellectuals and leaders like Gladstone saw Tsarist Russia as an reactionary throwback state, illiberal to change, always supressing Eastern/central European uprisings that were seen by Anglophone and French intellectuals and thinkers as politically progressive. Case in point, the supressing of Polish uprising during the 1830s which were descried by English middle class gentry and the Central European uprisings of 1845-9 being crushed by Tsarist troops (Russians even aided Austria-Hungry, its nominal Habsburg rival, in crushing its Mgyar/Hungarian nationalist revolt). All of this offended British political sensibilities, which fed into the 18th-19th British/French/German enlightenment thinkers narrative about Russia being a European outliner that had a distinctly non-European oriental political culture, a society more akin to the Oriental despotates of the East, a hydraulic state with autocratic tendencies that lacked the civic cultures of the Catholic/Protestant/Christian west due its political inheritance from the Golden Horde. These narratives also feed into racialist thinkers of the West about Russia being more backward compared to NW Europe due its "Oriental" nature and anything progressive or 'European' like about Russia such Peter the Great's reforms was sue to German aristocratic elite management or seeping Western European influence (remember that this was a period of intense Scientific racism, when race was viewed as the core essential ingredient of societal development, a period were Hubert Spencer's Social Darwanism was gaining ground in political thinking). These types of generalisations and stereotypes were spoon fed into the British public constantly by the British media/jingoistic yellow press tabloids from the Victorian Era onwards (e.g. "Russian navy confuses British trawlers off Devon for JAPANESE NAVY SHIPS") and was only put on hold after the triple Entente, Tsar Nicolas marriage and WW1 but resumed again with the rise of the Bolsheviks during the 20s and 30s (only to be temp halted against during WW") and the post war tensions of the Cold War.

As a person in Britain, its safe to say that the UK is by far the most Russophobic country in Europe. Its strange, considering Britain was never occupied or invaded by any Eastern European (let alone Russian) power, unlike the more understandable case for Germany, Finland or Poland who paradoxically seem more sane to me about issues surrounding than the UK. Anti Russian sentiment is just a part of mainstream political and even public discourse here, a sentiment that was amplified amongst Pro-EU/Remainers Brits after Brexit since many of them believe (esp. after following US news networks like CNN, MSBC, Rachael Meadow etc after Trumps election) that Brexit was the end-result of a massive Russian disinformation/influence campaign to split up the Atlantic alliance and disrupt EU unity in the mainland. This is why you see mass hysteria now on British twitter livefeeds amongst UK liberals about Nigel Farage and other prominent Brexit figures supposedly being in cohots with Russia and accusing them of being pro Putin puppets or former "useful idiots" of various Russian intelligence agencies. Its also one of the reasons why Renmainers/Liberal-Democrats/Labour/Anti-Tories type of Brits, who were typically anti-overseas intervention conflicts (protesting Iraq War by the millions in London on the even of Bush-Blair invasion from Kuwait, were against the NATO led Libya intervention) are now crying for No-fly zones to be established over western Ukraine or sharing tweets of NLAWs carrying Ukrainian troops with corney posts like "So proud we are doing out part", or sharing pics of destroyed T-72B2 with emoji or having Ukrainian flags on the social media profiles and promoting volunteers to go to the conflict zones. Liz, the Foreign Sec, endorsed it but was forced to backtrack by Boris thankfully (probably the only reasonable he thing he has done since being Prime Minister)
 
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