Ukrainian War Developments

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Shadow_Whomel

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Interesting take from a French journalist living in the separatists held region of Ukraine claiming among many things that Ukrainian government has been shelling and consequently killing it's own people since 2015.


The second video is from RT showing the same video above but with a little more details and context (Russian perspective) claiming that the French panelists on the show had criticized the French journalist for reposting Ukrainian shelling of it's eastern provinces.

This is a documentary by that French journalist, please note that it only has French subtitles, but the images don't lie.
A Chinese translation version for those who can read Chinese,
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A rough translation of the opening speech of President Poroshenko:

We'll have jobs and they won't!
We'll have pensions and they won't!
Our retired workers and children will have subsidies, and they won't!
Our children will go to school, to kindergarten, while theirs will have to stay in the cellar!
Because they can't do anything, and because of this, precisely, we will win this war.

What is shocking is that Putin condoned all this for eight years and he should be held responsible for it.
 

windsclouds2030

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And you are sure it was not destroyed by the Russians?

by the way… if true a heavy loss: reported not by the Ukrainian but via former Russian military members

„Reportedly a Russian Major General Andrey Sukhovetsky is killed in Ukraine. It seems his colleagues are expressing condolescences in social media.“

Just very simple logic, @Deino -- in addition to the info posted by @Temstar and others.

Russian force won't destroy any asset in Ukraine unnecessarily -- unless those assets can be used for the battle benefits of the Zelensky side!

WHY? Because at the end Russia will own Ukraine! And any damage there will be at Russian expense to repair, rebuild in future. This is just a battle to clean up that land from extremist Ukro forces (Azov/Aidar, Right Sectors, etc) and the installed puppet government from the 2014 coup.

Denazification and Demilitarization of Ukraine. Well, Ukraine is Kievan-Rus -- Russia won't destroy Ukraine unnecessarily -- just like China won't destroy Taiwan Island unnecessarily in any future attempt -- understandably both won't destroy their properties unnecessarily -- what's the point to retake in complete ruins. Quite different from the bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999 and Iraq in 2003 for instance. The place of Soviet legacy aircraft is under Russian control, so the only possibility is Ukrainian force destroyed it so Russia cannot have it.
 

Temstar

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They assure that the Ukrainian intelligence service (SBU), has designated as a traitor to the motherland the member of the first official delegation that went to Moscow to set up negotiations, Denis Kireev, has been executed


Photos of the corpse are already circulating on the networks...
I'm pretty sure Ukrainians have killed more of their own than Russians at this point.

What an incompetent regime. Zelensky's only job right now should be trying to maintain some form of order while his generals fight the Russians. The only thing he seems to be interested in is negotiating Ukraine's application to the EU.
 

ansy1968

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Just very simple logic, @Deino -- in addition to the info posted by @Temstar and others.

Russian force won't destroy any asset in Ukraine unnecessarily -- unless those assets can be used for the battle benefits of the Zelensky side!

WHY? Because at the end Russia will own Ukraine! And any damage there will be at Russian expense to repair, rebuild in future. This is just a battle to clean up that land from extremist Ukro forces (Azov/Aidar, Right Sectors, etc) and the installed puppet government from the 2014 coup.

Denazification and Demilitarization of Ukraine. Well, Ukraine is Kievan-Rus -- Russia won't destroy Ukraine unnecessarily -- just like China won't destroy Taiwan Island unnecessarily in any future attempt -- understandably both won't destroy their properties unnecessarily -- what's the point to retake in complete ruins. Quite different from the bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999 and Iraq in 2003 for instance. The place of Soviet legacy aircraft is under Russian control, so the only possibility is Ukrainian force destroyed it so Russia cannot have it.
@windsclouds2030 yup correct brother, why destroy something you owned and the Russia way of warfare is more humane and civilized than the much acclaimed US and NATO shock and awed, Just ask the Libyans, Serbian and the Iraqis.
 
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