Ukrainian War Developments

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anzha

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Well. That's been an interesting sojourn. Look at what's going on here. smh.

A couple bits, folks, I want to address.

First off, please, remember the mods stated no more 1 liner responses and mere posts of twitter. Please, add some analysis and commentary with some depth so we don't lose anymore drone salesmen.

The second item is a little long. I am probably going to do it a disservice and others might be able to explain it better or more eloquently. There is a narrative I am very annoyed by and have been since 2007 when I first heard it. I was naive - forgive me - and not heard it earlier. We are all young and dumb one point or another. Some of us grow out of it to be middle aged and dumb, though.

That narrative is being Russian speaking means an area is Russian. This is incorrect. The Donbas prior to 2014 was an area identifying itself as Ukrainian: these days it's different due to the massive population turnover. Odesa and Kharkov did and do see themselves as Ukrainian. There were people there who called themselves Russian, but the majority people who spoke Russian called themselves Ukrainian. This was not the case for Crimea, but Crimea is its own convoluted mess. People here and now are calling Kharkov and Odesa Russian. That's really incorrect.

It would be like saying parts of China are not China due to language. Southern China's language is very different than northern. Tibet and the western provinces (regions?) even more so. However, these are indelibly China. Language does not make them separate nations. That's beyond stupid and the people who claim otherwise have some nasty agendas involved.

Likewise, saying people with the same language should be united into a nation is dumb. I am 1000% sure the Australians, British, Canadians, Irish, etc. do not want to united in a single nation with Americans. Likewise, there are Americans who speak Spanish at home I know who are wildly opposed to being united with Mexico. They are of Mexican descent or their families settled their prior to Mexico's independence from Spain.

In addition, claiming Odesa or whatever is Russian because they used to be Russian is goofy on many levels, too. Donetsk was not founded by a Russian, but an Englishman. Kaliningrad wasn't built by Russians originally. It is very much Russia now. Only a few morons would dispute that.

Personal example, my family did not speak Ukrainian, at least at home and even day to day, except when calling those out west: they spoke Russian. They saw and see themselves as Ukrainian, except Baba Zoe. She was born in Russia and married a Ukrainian man during Soviet times. She was the only one allowed to remain in Gorlovka after 2014 and she died, alone, with her children and grandchildren unable to see her the four years after.

It is not to say there were not tensions between the Right and Left Banks or other areas. Carpatians have all sorts of nasty things to say about everyone! At least when I went there. I think I have seen people describing the same thing in China in this very thread. Those tensions are not to say people are not the same nationality though.

In summary, one should be very careful to not assume because a language is spoken there those people are Russian or Ukrainian. It isn't that simple.
 

Temstar

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Shilao's update for today.

In case you're wondering, the team at Guancha (and indeed in media across China) are no longer allowed to do live broadcast about the war, only state media allowed. Pre-recorded still okay if it passes screening. It's probably to prevent really ugly scenes showing up as fighting is expected to get bloody once we enter urban combat.
 

tokenanalyst

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Lots of chest thumping in this thread now, so lets get real:

(Forecasted 2022)

PRC: GDP 16700 Billion USD
North Korea: 19 Billion USD
Russia: 1480 Billion USD
Pakistan: 280 Billion USD
Iran : 270 Billion USD

In total: 18749 Billion USD
(practically China all by itself)

*Pakistan makes India highly unlikely otherwise add GDP 3250 billion USD

USA: GDP 22790 Billion USD
EU: GDP 18350 Billion USD
Japan: GDP 5500 Billion USD
UK: GDP 3200 Billion USD
Australia: GDP 1450 Billion USD
Canada: GDP 1740 Billion USD
South Korea: GDP 1710 Billion USD
Turkey: GDP 690 Billion USD

In total: GDP 55430 Billion USD
Not to be a chest thumper but Turkey and South Korea even if they now say they "support" the sanctions they will probably cave in the near future, especially SK who want to diversify away from China. Then come the EU who is dealing with the threat of runaway inflation, so i think they will have to keep dealing with the Russians for while whatever they like it or not. Then come the rest of the world, especially the Middle East and Africa, they have huge deals with the Russians. Latin America, Venezuela, Argentina and even Brazil (who refused to condemn Russia), the panorama is more complicated than it seems. I not have a crystal ball but the is how logically see it.
 

manqiangrexue

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I would be surprised if these sanctions are EVER lifted. I think China and Russia (and maybe NK and Iran) may be religated to their own little world, in every sense of the word, while the rest of the world moves on.
You're funny. Russia is the largest country in the world with massive amounts of natural resources; the Europeans that sanctions Russia will have to dig themselves out of the hole they created because they need Russia's resources. The world of China and Russia is enormous already but China remains the world's largest trading nation and that's growing as well. It is more the diminishing little world of Western Europe and the US desperately trying to cling to Western domination while China leads the charge with Russia behind it to a new mulitpolar world order.
I'm saying this is going to have lasting effects. I'm not saying China is being "punished". Just that the West is realizing it's not the friend they thought it was and will pull away accordingly
What brain-dead person in the West thought China was a friend all the while trying to technologically sanction it, color revolution it and start trade wars with it? Is this how Westerners treat their friends?? LOL Wow, I never trusted Westerners but this is more than even what I expected... By all means, get to pulling. I don't need or tolerate "friends" like that.
. Russia? Yeah, they're a North Korea style pariah state.
Impossible because of size and global importance. You can ignore a mouse in the kitchen but you cannot ignore a bear in the house. You can only look foolish for a bit until you give up pretending that you can.
 
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JamesRed

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USA + allies still outproduce China + allies

But let's stop here.
Instead of looking at digital numbers which are easily manipulated why not look at a real world metric. How many warships can the US make a year vs how many can China make a year? Neither GDP nor the printing press that creates the fictional GDP can print new ships.
 

BlackWindMnt

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I don't know, Indian social media seem to have gone pretty wild about this. We all know how powerful the Indian twitter army are :D

I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with a WION report, but
https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t4w36m Someone pinch me!

While Chinese media outlets are pretty neutral and ambivalent. India's are going full pro-Russia.

How long until we get a Bollywood film about a brave Indian student who fought off 200 Nazi Ukrainian border guards to get into Poland? :D
Well looks like I will not be allowed to make indian jai hind jokes for a month.
 
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