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mossen

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They are just wasting their demographic dividend, pretty sad to see. I also don't think their push for services produced any significant high-tech industry in the country - I don't consider outsourcing as high-tech, this is essentially the service equivalent of sweatshops. That's not even mentioning that a lot of key technologies (jet engines, nuclear reactors, semiconductors, etc.) are inherently tied to manufacturing, so trying to avoid them is dumb. Are there any famous and important Indian high-tech companies?

Remember that India just has a per capita GDP of $2000. Still, there are some interesting Indian start-ups.

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I think India's tech ecosystem is where China's was in 2005-2010. We won't see the fruition of these until the mid-to-late 2020s.
 

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Remember that India just has a per capita GDP of $2000. Still, there are some interesting Indian start-ups.

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I think India's tech ecosystem is where China's was in 2005-2010. We won't see the fruition of these until the mid-to-late 2020s.
But the big difference between China and India is that India doesn't have the tools for cyber sovereignty. I will bet that in the 2020s those startups will be gobbled up by American big tech of us big tech supported Indian tech.
 

Strangelove

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They are just wasting their demographic dividend, pretty sad to see. I also don't think their push for services produced any significant high-tech industry in the country - I don't consider outsourcing as high-tech, this is essentially the service equivalent of sweatshops. That's not even mentioning that a lot of key technologies (jet engines, nuclear reactors, semiconductors, etc.) are inherently tied to manufacturing, so trying to avoid them is dumb. Are there any famous and important Indian high-tech companies?

They never had a demographic dividend, any "dividend" was just bollywood bullshit, the reality is a demographic disaster. Likewise are all the assumptions and boasts of high tech, another round of bollywood bullshit, the reality is that Business Process Outsourcing is basically excel spreadsheet management and data entry "engineering", ask them to do proper coding, they'll fckk it up royally...

In the article it claims Many of them were overqualified - aspirants, according to one
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, included post-graduates, engineers, MBAs.
Completely laughable... as Chinese grade-school kids can outdo these "overqualified" Indian engineers and MBAs in maths any day of the week....

India coders suck.JPG

Their demographic disaster...

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mossen

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But the big difference between China and India is that India doesn't have the tools for cyber sovereignty. I will bet that in the 2020s those startups will be gobbled up by American big tech of us big tech supported Indian tech.
This is a major issue. India is being economically colonised by the US in exchange for closer military ties to counter the non-existent "Chinese threat". I view this as a major mistake. India will find that once America has its clutches deep into its economic and political life, it will not let go.
 

Overbom

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Behind the rosy stories of India "growing" and becoming a superpower
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while 4.6 crore Indians are estimated to have fallen into extreme poverty in 2020, accounting for nearly half of the global ‘new poor’ according to the United Nations, the number of Indian billionaires grew from 102 to 143 during the pandemic period. The collective wealth of India’s 100 richest people hit a record high of Rs 57.3 lakh crore ($775 billion) in 2021.
46 million Indians have fallen into extreme poverty.

Mind you, this not just plain poverty, we are talking about extreme poverty. There is a world of difference between these 2 economic conditions.
 

mossen

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India's per capita GDP is on track to exceed the pre-Covid level this year. But the recovery is "K-shaped", meaning that the rich are doing better than ever and the poor worse.

Ultimately, the old curse for India is that their economic model was always top-heavy. IT, pharma and finance. Jobs for the small, educated elite. China chose a "mass manufacturing" strategy and only worried about the high-end after many decades.

We can clearly see which strategy was the winning one.
 

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Those who tout India as the next China tend to omit one key factor - the big gap in education between the two countries. China has a way better education system in both depth and breadth than that of India.

In higher education, China leaves India behind by a large distance. In these popular rankings, not only there are more Chinese universities ranked at the top, their ratings are way ahead of the Indian ones:

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The Chinese universities are doing even better in subject ratings, according to:
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A detailed analysis of the ratings reveals that institutions in China perform better than the rest of the world, on average, in 63 of the 89 subjects, including a large number of engineering disciplines, astronomy, atmospheric sciences, chemistry and mechanics. China achieves an A- or higher, on average, in 30 subjects.

Overall, 49 per cent of all Chinese institutions’ grades were either A+, A or A-, the same share as the UK and US.

There are 19 subjects where China is on a par with institutions in the rest of the world, on average. These include architecture, clinical medicine, computer science and technology, geography, mathematics and physics.

We don't even need to bring up the embarassingly low literacy rate of India.

Viet Nam is another hot pick by some as the contender for the next economical powerhouse. It has much higher literacy rate than India, even close to China's. However the Vietnamese universities are doing much worse in ratings and the number of graduates annually. The country still has much to catch up in both quality and quantity in higher education.
 
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