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GodRektsNoobs

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The U.S. has reached the limits of it's power. In the pursuit of trying to be everywhere and anywhere it'll ended up going nowhere or getting stuck at a place it didn't prepare to be at.

Eldrige Colby and his acolytes in American Foreign policy circles are already sounding the possibility and reality where Europe will be left on it's own security wise. They're arguing for greater European involvement and defense spending for the protection of the continent. They're getting frustrated that EU doesn't have the large capacity of strategic lift and other important military assets required for the crisis (of their own making) in Ukraine.

It sounds like EU is going to get the Afghanistan treatment which is rather pathetic since the E.U. Defense structure was deliberately made weak by the U.S. in order for the U.S. Defense Industrial juggernaut to be the main beneficiary of any defense related windfall in the continent. A dependent EU to the U.S. means a perpetual client state for American defense industry and more...Which brings me to my realization that I don't think America has really operated on a coherent grand strategy since the fall of the Soviet Union. America went blind and became arrogant of it's perceived role in the dissolution of Soviet Union and drank the Kool aid of Francis Fukuyama's pronouncement of "End of History."
If Europe is left on its own, how would the US ensure that it wouldn't tilt towards China? And compromise with Russia akin to the Concert of Europe during 19th Century? Because from Nordstream to Huawei, US is the one putting on economic and political pressure to forcibly separate EU from China and Russia. Likewise with Yugoslavia intervention, Brexit and propping up the actions of Lithuania, US is simultaneously trying to keep Europe divided and driving a wedge between it and China/Russia. If US abandons Europe, there is a good chance it will be left on its own, alienated by EU, Russia, and China. And I'm sure US elites knows this.
 

semiconprof

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It's pretty clear to me that the US is being stretched to the limit militarily, economically, and politically. It's going down the path of the Soviet Union.

As unthinkable as it might be only three years ago, we may very well see in our lifetime the dissolution of the United States.
Maybe not the US itself, but we might see the dissolution of the Anglo global hegemony, that started with the British Empire, and is now inherited by the US. If the US falters, there doesn't appear to be anyone else ready to picked the mantle.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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To another important geopolitical area/country that's South Korean and it's fast approaching Presidential election. There has been an interesting but disappointing IMHO intrigued regarding the leading opposition Presidential candidate for his connection with a supposed "cult." I can't or don't understand how a country like S.K. a supposedly modern, high-tech country is still mired with such a strong superstitious element to the point that even it's elected leaders are consulting or being associated with people associated with superstitious enterprise. And this country is supposedly have some of the most fervent Christians in the world. WTH!!

Sorcery at the Heart of Korean Politics

A dharma master, a venerable teacher, talismans. A presidential candidate captivates the nation with his apparent interest in the supernatural.

Se-Woong Koo22 Jan 2022

Last fall Korea's main opposition People Power Party held a series of televised debates to choose its candidate for the presidential election in March. What ended up dominating the national conversation wasn't participants' policy proposals or qualifications but a single character.

On the left palm of former prosecutor-general Yoon Seok-youl, who would go on to win the nomination, appeared a small Chinese character meaning "king"—wang 王—as if written with a pen.



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bajingan

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I don't think US will dissolve, stagnate, or collapse, but definitely facing imperial overstretch.

However, I do think as the US demographics increasing shifts away from Whites, with racial/ethnic minorities becoming the majority by 2050, that the huge minority population (blacks/Hispanic/Asians) will elect more who support more inward social welfare policies rather than expensive wars and bases abroad. Military spending will be reigned in by more populist, anti-war, and progressive candidates that seek to invest at home, rather than maintaining Old White Man's dream of imperial hegemony.

US could very well become more inward facing and spend more on social welfare (increasing or expanding Medicaid, Medicare, social security reform) that will require drastic cuts to military defense budget and reduce imperial overstretch.

TLDR: Minorities will overtake whites by 2050, and shifting demographic will result in less military spending and imperial overstretch as minorities tend to be more progressive and anti-war compared to Old White Man Imperialist, which is a dying breed.
The biggest danger is in my opinion, is when those whites/maga type of conservatives will accuse these minorities who support more inward social welfare policies of being communist sympathizers, which in turn deepening the partisanship and polarization within american society

Best case scenario this internal conflict will continue to make america ungovernable in foreseeable future
Worst case open civil war
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Watching Condee Rice press conference in Georgia circa 2008 (during the Beijing Summer Olympics) discussing the possibility of Georgia joining NATO with a smiling idiot Saakashvilli is eerily similar to what's happening in Ukraine. This time around with again the Beijing Olympics just around the corner the court jester is Blinken and the smiling idiot is Zalensky.




 

In4ser

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It's not that bad.

The Roman Empire had land borders with serious enemies.
The US doesn't face a credible military threat from Canada or Mexico.
So the US military can afford to lose or withdraw from the rest of the world without the homeland being credibly threatened.
Yes but I still think it's a fair comparison. The Roman Empire ultimately wasn't destroyed by the Persian Empire or a foreign state but by marauding bands of barbarians in and around its territories. Had Rome been at its peak strength, these barbarians would not have been a problem for its legions however it was weakened by Imperial overreach and internal divisions that it couldn't fend them off anymore. So how things will develop really depends on how bad things get in America. While I don't necessarily think things will get that bad, so much has changed within these past 3 years, that it's definitely within the realm of possibility.

A healthy body typically can fend off most diseases and parasites but once its immune system weakens it's easier for things to go bad. Similarly, with America and its social, economic, political health, and safety problems, they are more likely to compound and get worse when things are going wrong. A poor and weak state has a harder time attracting talent and investment to fix itself and instead deals with new problems like poor infrastructure and ineffective institutions (e.g. police, courts, and borders) which can attract more violence and crime as well the meddling of non-state actors like drug cartels and radical militias.
 
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ansy1968

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Watching Condee Rice press conference in Georgia circa 2008 (during the Beijing Summer Olympics) discussing the possibility of Georgia joining NATO with a smiling idiot Saakashvilli is eerily similar to what's happening in Ukraine. This time around with again the Beijing Olympics just around the corner the court jester is Blinken and the smiling idiot is Zalensky.




@Bellum_Romanum bro they are a broken record, keep repeating the same strategy, fool me once same on you (2008 Olympics), fool me twice same on me (2014 Sochi Winter Olympics), now both the Chinese and the Russian have an answer and the gods had their blessing, the pandemic, inflation and the energy crisis, it cuts off the oxygen needed to sustain their operations. The US are stretch thin, they can't operate on multiple fronts, The Russian in Europe, the Chinese in Asia and now the Iranians in the ME. Last year the Chinese were the Target BUT was blunted with economic realities, now with the Russian holding all the cards, they don't need a war, just cut off the gas supply and see the EU knell down and beg Putin...lol
 

ansy1968

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Yes but I still think it's a fair comparison. Roman Empire wasn't destroyed by the Persian Empire or a foreign state but by marauding bands of barbarians in and around its territories. It will really depend on how bad things get in America. While I don't necessarily think things will get that bad, so much has changed within these past 3 years, that it's definitely within the realm of possibility.

A healthy body typically can fend off most diseases and parasites but once things go bad it's easier for problems like social, economic, political, health, and safety problems to compound. A poor and weak state has a harder time attracting talent and investment to recover and instead faces issues like poor infrastructure and ineffective institutions (e.g. police, courts, and borders) which can attract more violence and crime as well the meddling of non-state actors like drug cartels and radical militias.
@In4ser bro my take in extreme, yeah like the Romans BUT from what I see the 5 eyes will morph into one single entity, the United State of Anglo Saxon countries. My thesis as the US White population is being overwhelm and declining, they may assimilate those from the outside, they speak the same language, culture and mentality. Another reason to support my theory is that the Australian are so gungho to confront China is that in a crisis they can relocate in any of those country easily. They don't have the restrain and those land are not theirs in the first place.
 

Phead128

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The biggest danger is in my opinion, is when those whites/maga type of conservatives will accuse these minorities who support more inward social welfare policies of being communist sympathizers, which in turn deepening the partisanship and polarization within american society

Best case scenario this internal conflict will continue to make america ungovernable in foreseeable future
Worst case open civil war

Precisely 100%!

The US only hate Chinese because China is an non-White/Christian independent civilization that is non-subservient to Anglo-supremacy.

The best case scenario is US is too pre-occupied with internal tensions (rabid political polarization and racial tensions as whites become minority) to effectively unite an "whole-of-society" approach to contain China.

In other words, whites/MAGA types are too pre-occupied against perceived "socialism takeover" and "white genocide" at home to effectively unite the US society against China.
 
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