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Anlsvrthng

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He has no choice now basically - either NATO (0% chance) accepts the ultimatum or he has to make the move. If he stalls, then the political influence of Russia will diminish significantly. Tbh, it is never good to put yourself in such a situation - even if he wanted to invade Ukraine from the start, then he should have moved quicker than that without giving a chance for NATO to supply additional weaponry and mount up response (sanctions, most likely).
By the track record of Russian leadership if they are making a promise then they will keep it.
 

SampanViking

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Well, the line from Moscow has been consistent throughout, "we have no plan to invade Ukraine" This is being said at home as well as abroad, which means that there is no preparation of the Russian public being done (aka as the US did in preparation of the Iraq invasion of 2003). If Russia does have a plan, it is purely a reactive one in the event of a hostile act against it, or the Donbass Republics.
 

SAC

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The U.S. has created a scenario as follows: Russia attacks Ukraine - see, we told you so, Russia and Putin are bad. Russia doesn't attack Ukraine - see, we scared those bad Russians off. A success in influencing the target audience.
 

SampanViking

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Well if Putin is in league with the Daleks, NATO wont stand a chance!
 
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Overbom

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Well, the line from Moscow has been consistent throughout, "we have no plan to invade Ukraine" This is being said at home as well as abroad, which means that there is no preparation of the Russian public being done (aka as the US did in preparation of the Iraq invasion of 2003). If Russia does have a plan, it is purely a reactive one in the event of a hostile act against it, or the Donbass Republics.
Tbf Russia has gathered quite a lot of troops near Ukraine.
It can't credibly say that this is business as usual
Something has got to give.

Its like, imagine China massing troops from different regions, mobilising them opposite Taiwan and then saying "nothing to see here folks"...

Ukraine would be dumb to believe that so many troops are massing next to it just for some military exercises
 

W20

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"Russia has gathered quite a lot of troops near Ukraine"

(a) To make it clear that the Russian army can be in Russia, because the West's joke has already gone too far: The West can bomb, invade any country or overthrow governments or entrust the destruction of a country to a subcontractor, and the others have to ask permission from the Anglo Master even to go to the toilet

(b) To make it clear that a Ukrainian attack against the Russians would be answered
 

Bellum_Romanum

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From all the posturing that he has done lately, he has to, if he doesn't, his credibility will take a hit
And the americans will sense a weakness
The million dollar question is when?
Why? He never declares either explicitly or implicitly that Russia was or is going to invade Ukraine. The west led by America have been shouting about a Russian invasions since 2014 and it has yet to materialize.

The one thing that Russia has been consistent about is NO NATO expansion that even that drunkard Yeltsin also opposed but his Russia at that time was too weak to make a stink about it.

It's the west utter lack of respect and vitriolic hatred for Russian nationalism that's caused this issue regardless of one likes Putin or not. No self-respecting Russian citizen would want his or her country be dictated, humiliated, and essentially become another vassalized country to the primacy and interests of the Anglo-west which is what the U.S. has been trying to do since the end of the Cold War.

The U.S. and her vassals can renege and lie on their prior commitments, can make up new rules ad hoc and abuse the international laws and international institutions pretty much getting away risks free. Meanwhile, countries like Russia, China and others can't even dare to sneeze without getting pilloried, despise, sanctioned, and accused of pretty much all the heinous things one can be attached to a state.

The U.S. doesn't want to be challenged in any sphere any territories it wish to operate full stop. It wants and loves to dictate what the rules of the road and the game are to it's own distinct advantages/national interests to the detriment of international order and laws.
 

LesAdieux

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Why? He never declares either explicitly or implicitly that Russia was or is going to invade Ukraine. The west led by America have been shouting about a Russian invasions since 2014 and it has yet to materialize.

The one thing that Russia has been consistent about is NO NATO expansion that even that drunkard Yeltsin also opposed but his Russia at that time was too weak to make a stink about it.

It's the west utter lack of respect and vitriolic hatred for Russian nationalism that's caused this issue regardless of one likes Putin or not. No self-respecting Russian citizen would want his or her country be dictated, humiliated, and essentially become another vassalized country to the primacy and interests of the Anglo-west which is what the U.S. has been trying to do since the end of the Cold War.

The U.S. and her vassals can renege and lie on their prior commitments, can make up new rules ad hoc and abuse the international laws and international institutions pretty much getting away risks free. Meanwhile, countries like Russia, China and others can't even dare to sneeze without getting pilloried, despise, sanctioned, and accused of pretty much all the heinous things one can be attached to a state.

The U.S. doesn't want to be challenged in any sphere any territories it wish to operate full stop. It wants and loves to dictate what the rules of the road and the game are to it's own distinct advantages/national interests to the detriment of international order and laws.

Russia does repeatedly say that if their demands not met, they'll be forced to take "major political decision".

you can mobilize 100k troops along the border, don't say anything, it's intimidation. but if you make demands, and your demands are not met, then withdraw is back down.
 
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