China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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ZeEa5KPul

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"And Chinese officials have consistently rejected the idea of entering arms control talks, shutting down such suggestions by noting — accurately — that the United States and Russia each have deployed five times more nuclear warheads than Beijing possesses."

Even when they pretend to concede the "fact" that the US has much more nuclear warheads than China, they still try to manipulate the words and numbers. In fact, the US has more than twenty times more nuclear warheads than China. Period. The choice of word "deployed" is deceiving and manipulative. The distinction between warheads deployed and warheads in possession is meaningless here. This is before one even considers that American experts believe that China separates its nuclear warheads and missiles normally.

This playing innocence and moral high-ground is sickening.
Just another day at NYT.
 

Xizor

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Nice. It helps PLA understand, how much others understand (and are willing to let out) of China's forces.
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Each of the six operations Bases cover discrete geographical areas. As seen in the map below, the missile brigades of Base 61 cover eastern and some of southeastern China, Base 62 covers the rest of southeastern China, Base 63 covers inland southern China, Base 64 covers northwest and north-central China, Base 65 covers eastern and northeastern China, and Base 66 covers central China. Each Base also features a unique makeup of nuclear and conventional forces depending on individual mission and strategic need: Base 61, for instance, is made up of mostly short-range conventional missile brigades primarily aimed at Taiwan, while more inland Bases, such as Bases 64 and 66, are made up primarily of longer-range nuclear forces.

/ The information in this report is open source compilation ( IISS,Project 2049, military websites, news reports, forums etc) /
 
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AssassinsMace

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China called for space weapons ban and the US rejected it because the US had a clear advantage at the time over everyone else. Now they want to negotiate with China to limit its advantages. Everyone in the world knows the US can nuke them. It's only the US that whines about others' capability to nuke them back. Only the US whines when another country gains the capability of an advantage that the US only had before. Will we see China whine when other countries develop similar systems? No. Only the US does that because as usual the West expects the unnatural to occur and China is supposed to negotiate taking away something that makes Americans think twice before they act in their natural arrogance.

The US thinks it can have these things because they're the most civilized and responsible and therefore can be trusted not to abuse them. Not when the US government can change every four years and have alt-right white supremacists in control which they no longer are hiding in their mother's basement. They're in the open now and the Republicans and even the Democrats in their China policies are catering to them. When the US has the advantage, they throw it in your face, taunting and threatening to use it against you. Are those the acts of civilized people? And they wonder why all these new weapons they don't have are being developed...
 

montyp165

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Well Washington should ask itself why it 1.) withdrew in 2002 from the ABM Treaty 2.) allowed NATO expansion to include the Baltic States (former Soviet territories) 3.) support India's nuclear power program in starting in 2005 despite the fact that New Delhi is an illegal nuclear state under international law (so US supporting nuclear proliferation to the NPT violating state of India while criticizing NK and Iran for trying to adopt nukes) 4.) with drew from the INF Treaty during Trump Administration, and 5.) use Taiwan as a pawn to try to obtain more concessions from China, knowing that elevating Taiwan's international status could at some point touch the tripwire for the PLA to launch an attack. In fact, by publicly pledging to defend Taiwan, Washington is engaging is similar (thought far less institutionalized) bahaviour as NATO expansion into former Soviet territories. In conclusion, it was Washington during its unipolar moment from 1991 to 2008 that tried to squeeze the last breaths out of its potential competitors that led to Russia and China (historical enemies dating back to Tsarist era) to form a marriage of convenience. Now with Moscow on Ukraine's doorstep and PLA on Taiwan's doorstep, maybe the Anglos should reflect on what they have done to create such hostile quasi-alliance and China's abandonment of minimum deterrence (not mention the likelihood of building the most powerful hypersonic arsenal). Should a nuclear war occur, the 500+ US satellites would be able to monitor all incoming regular ICBM and hypersonic warheads, but they would not be able to intercept them. Just imagine the helplessness of being able to watch but unable to do anything (like someone slowly disemboweling you alive but you are powerless to stop the execution).

Those satellites would only last long enough to just see the warheads before they all go silent from incoming ASATs in the end.
 

AssassinsMace

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The problem with this congressman's argument against a no first use policy is the same situation will come with eliminating all nukes. What's to prevent Russia and China from being more belligerent if there were no nukes to fear? The US wants their nukes and there will never be a ban on nukes because they would lose in a conventional war. They would have to deal with dead Americans coming home in body bags like never before. They like their wars like it were a video game displacing them from experiencing death. That's why the US dropping bombs on some country in the world every day of the year doesn't affect them while accusing China of being a warmonger because most them are dropped by drones. They don't think they actually did it like how the US outsourced torture to other countries during their war on terror so they can claim the US doesn't torture anyone.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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Those satellites would only last long enough to just see the warheads before they all go silent from incoming ASATs in the end.
Well, that means China would have to have thousands of ASAT and ABM missile on standby any time to knock out enemy satellites and incoming ICBMs. Currently, China had deployed only several hundred HQ-9 launchers at most, and Beijing is already complaining about HQ-9 being expensive and got the HQ-22 as a cheap (but less effective) alternative. Imagine the prohibitive cost associated with thousands of HQ-19 and HQ-29 ASAT/ABMs needed to defend at least several Chinese cities from being smoked.
 

Overbom

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Well, that means China would have to have thousands of ASAT and ABM missile on standby any time to knock out enemy satellites and incoming ICBMs. Currently, China had deployed only several hundred HQ-9 launchers at most, and Beijing is already complaining about HQ-9 being expensive and got the HQ-22 as a cheap (but less effective) alternative. Imagine the prohibitive cost associated with thousands of HQ-19 and HQ-29 ASAT/ABMs needed to defend at least several Chinese cities from being smoked.
China could also go full scorched-earth and make space full of debris to knock out all space assets from all countries

Instead of having an explosive warhead, it could have 10000 small steel balls (shotgun style) and explode them into the upper space.

Make it x1000s missiles with calculations of where to ideally explode each missile for best coverage and you got the recipe of completely destroying everything that is in orbit

After all, China already has communication drones which can act as sensor nodes so it can partially fill the sat roles

To summarise, I see this move as completely destroying US capabilities while greatly harming China. Net positive to China (war is going to be closer to its shores, more options to replace satellite roles by airborne means)

Side effects include stopping human's civilization advancement into space for dozens of years, but this should be an acceptable price to win such a war against a belligerent US
 
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