The 20V956TB92 on the 052D is licensed from MTU. But I don't think they can really make any trouble for PLAN, since that diesel is fully domestically built by Shanxi Diesel, except for waiving the licensing fee...
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Would be nice if Germany "bans" their sales and all that will happen is that MTU and MAN will not receive a single Euro licensing fees anymore. It is moments like these where I wish the Chinese state media would be better in propaganda, since that would be a nice "rekt"-sort of news, best accompanied by a fleet of Chinese warships cruising the Baltics powered by these same engines.
No this is bad. The intent is not to damage the production of these engines. This is to discourage future contracts on the German side. All while not making technical trade with China explicitly illegal.
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The horse has lef t the barn long time ago. I don't why DW beating a dead horse. China has moved and now own large industrial group that specialize in ICE, Diesel from marine to truck etc with hundred of engine portfolio. Shanxi and Harbin engineering group specialized in large marine diesel
Here is an example of astounding rise of Chinese ECE engine manufacturer with their own intellectual property
Embedded within China's economic miracle is the arguably equally astonishing story of Weichai Power – an organization that has risen from conducting maintenance on steam boats in the 1940's, to powering industry across the world today. While in more recent times we've seen the proliferation of globally recognized technology and internet giants dominate discussion about China's modern economy, Weichai Power's evolution to its present-day market dominance, innovation and growth is ostensibly synchronous with the evolution of China's economy over the past seven decades.
Weichai marine diesel portfolio
Weichai portfolio of engine
Here is an example of astounding rise of Chinese ECE engine manufacturer with their own intellectual property
Embedded within China's economic miracle is the arguably equally astonishing story of Weichai Power – an organization that has risen from conducting maintenance on steam boats in the 1940's, to powering industry across the world today. While in more recent times we've seen the proliferation of globally recognized technology and internet giants dominate discussion about China's modern economy, Weichai Power's evolution to its present-day market dominance, innovation and growth is ostensibly synchronous with the evolution of China's economy over the past seven decades.
Weichai marine diesel portfolio
Weichai portfolio of engine
To be honest, the German don't have much to offer nowadays.
The gap between China and Germany in conventional submarine technology has closed. But it could be nice to get German technology on submarine fuel cells - the alternative to the Stirling engine for air independent propulsion. This probably won't be possible given this technology can't really be argued to be dual use, but maybe sometime in the further future... Fuel cells would enable a diesel AIP submarine to stay submerged probably up to 4 weeks, compared to the 2 weeks on an AIP sub using Stirling engines. There are also reports that Germans are getting close to operationalising lithium-ion battery, which is the cutting edge for conventional sub technology, but this is not confirmed.
further future? I don't even know whether PLAN will still be developing conventional submarines...
China has already transferred to all nuclear policy for submarines…
PLAN will be. Conventional subs offer great advantages. Li ion battery Submarines seem to be the next priority for PLAN conventional subs. Another compelling factor is the littoral and shallows of SCS.
We don't know how exactly US nuke sub collided in SCS but a huge disaster was averted anyway.
I guess you mean after the 039C