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sndef888

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To be honest, I'm still not sure whether BJP is a good thing for India

India does need social awareness to retain their own culture and institutions so they don't become a mental colony of the West like Japan or Korea. The pushback against foreign NGOs, influence and missionaries, I think is a good thing

But this comes at a pretty terrible time as the Indian economy is still extremely weak and the BJP seems to have no idea how to manage the economy. They don't have manufacturing or a consumer middle class and neither will they be able to upgrade their services
 

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To be honest, I'm still not sure whether BJP is a good thing for India

India does need social awareness to retain their own culture and institutions so they don't become a mental colony of the West like Japan or Korea.
What culture & Institutions? Sati? Dowry? Casteism? Khap panchayat? Which culture are we talking about here?

I actually hope Indians become mental slaves of the West atleast it'll result in increased civility , rationality and progressiveness amongst masses

The pushback against foreign NGOs, influence and missionaries, I think is a good thing
They also pushbacked against Billions of Chinese FDI, banning of Chinese apps & investment ...which is certainly a good thing .....for these companies. Probably saved from future losses.
Also missionaries, NGO etc is the biggest false bogy created by RSS/BJP just to drum up Hindutva nationalism and win elections.
But this comes at a pretty terrible time as the Indian economy is still extremely weak and the BJP seems to have no idea how to manage the economy. They don't have manufacturing or a consumer middle class and neither will they be able to upgrade their services
This is true.
 

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The incident on August 30 did not result in a face-off as PLA soldiers returned before they could be confronted. Over 100 soldiers and 55 horses transgressed over 5 km of Indian territory by crossing the Tun Jun La Pass, security establishment insiders told ET.
AFAIK there's only one horse formation left in PLA and it belongs to PLARF who uses the horses to to patrol a very hilly area near a missile base.
 

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India does need social awareness to retain their own culture and institutions so they don't become a mental colony of the West like Japan or Korea. The pushback against foreign NGOs, influence and missionaries, I think is a good thing
India is already a mental colony of the West, going by the "NOTICE ME, SENPAI" attitudes of Jai Hinds on twitter and willingness to fight and die in anglo wars against China, despite knowing that the anglos fear a rising global south championed by China.

Secondly, India kicked out Chinese tech and firms and pretty much laid the red carpet for India to become a tech vassal to Faceberg and western tech companies, which is a pretty easy thing to do when Modi's buddy Adani gained a de facto monopoly in India due to Modis' government destroying the competition.

In terms of tech, the Anglos wanted the Afghanistan treatment for all the world, where afghans had to use facebook to access the internet and could only use the internet via facebook app.
 
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India is already a mental colony of the West, going by the "NOTICE ME, SENPAI" attitudes of Jai Hinds on twitter and willingness to fight and die in anglo wars against China, despite knowing that the anglos fear a rising global south championed by China.

Secondly, India kicked out Chinese tech and firms and pretty much laid the red carpet for India to become a tech vassal to Faceberg and western tech companies, which is a pretty easy thing to do when Modi's buddy Adani gained a de facto monopoly in India due to Modis' government destroying the competition.

In terms of tech, the Anglos wanted the Afghanistan treatment for all the world, where afghans had to use facebook to access the internet and could only use the internet via facebook app.
Yeah Modi gave Adani with Reliance Jio platform a monopoly on India tech, if I'm not mistaken. Western big tech then bought big stakes in the Jio platforms to make sure India will never develop to the heights like China.
 

hashtagpls

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Yeah Modi gave Adani with Reliance Jio platform a monopoly on India tech, if I'm not mistaken. Western big tech then bought big stakes in the Jio platforms to make sure India will never develop to the heights like China.
Yep, the Anglo playbook is for non white, non anglo nations to act as vassal states supplying human capital and goods and serving as markets for white anglo goods and services.

The British Empire built itself by using its empire as a massive market for its industrial goods, and using the loot and pillage to finance its development, the same way America's Ivy League and industrial Revolution was built from Opium money forced on the Chinese. India itself was so pillaged, it suffered a genocidal Bengal famine and had its priceless diamonds and jewels stolen for the Crown Jewels and yet the Indian response to this particular humiliation is to beg for more from Anglos whilst the military defeat of '62 engenders a deep and burning humiliation that makes Indians particularly murderous.
 

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Here is a demonstration of the attitude and behaviour of Indian nationalists; notice the shameless and barefaced lying:

This is exactly like confronting a liar and the liar loudly and proclaiming his innocence despite documented proof showing facts to the contrary; these Jai hinds hope their cacophony of mindless chatter and screeching will drown out the truth in lieu of their version of reality.

and if they get caught their reasoning and dismissive attitude is “ so what I’ll pay you back next life”
 

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Yep, the Anglo playbook is for non white, non anglo nations to act as vassal states supplying human capital and goods and serving as markets for white anglo goods and services.
To be fair, I think India is helpless in this regard. The lack of human resources and effective human development is showing in its Comprehensive National Strength and progress.
The reason why India couldn't break into the higher technology echelons is because of this. It is not that India doesn't want Technology independence but it doesn't have the resources to seize independence. Imagine the situation of China during the 1970, 1980s. To me, India is a country that is locked in the 1980-1990 era of China.

India absolutely adores, aspires the Chinese closed internet / planned economy / development model ( even though they speak down the "CCP-oppression-model" every chance they can get) . Few months back, there was a battle with Twitter and Facebook India over censorship and censorship criterias and there was noticeable churning of online sentiments against Foreign companies - a breath of Fresh air for any Asian who aspires for self development and independence for any non-western country.

But it is to be noted that India can't do much other than give light rebukes to these foreign companies. I can't name a single Indian software company of worth and name despite the country boasting itself to be a software power. It faces dire brain drain, lack of quality human resources and shoddy mobilization. In certain ways, India is looking and trying to learn from China's pursuit of full spectrum Technology independence.

We must remember that China spent three decades doing hard dirty labor for the Global Consumerist Trade Enterprise. India believes it can too create a miracle - the miracle of Ganges - by seizing and riding the next unknown wave of wealth creation. I won't fault it. But whereas China managed to keep silent and maneuver gracefully ( in hindsight) towards the goal, without sacrificing its core dignities/ interests and sovereignty, India seems to be turning into another cheerleader and "Ally" of some western countries. It has signed military alliances/ deals and is willingly becoming a partner (of sorts) in the activities of certain western countries.

That is sad. It is sad not just for Asians but for the world in general. India, I believe, want a multipolar world where India alone is the regional hegemon in Asia / Eastern Hemisphere. The current ruling class of India is a right wing enterprise whose ideologies regarding Race, religion, culture etc is questionable. Forget the "certain countries" in the west questioning it seriously. An Eastern hemisphere dominated by such an India with such unique ideological inclinations is certainly a far more dangerous prospect than the "evil communist Chinese technocrat authoritarians".
 
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To be fair, I think India is helpless in this regard. The lack of human resources and effective human development is showing in its Comprehensive National Strength and progress.
The reason why India couldn't break into the higher technology echelons is because of this. It is not that India doesn't want Technology independence but it doesn't have the resources to seize independence. Imagine the situation of China during the 1970, 1980s. To me, India is a country that is locked in the 1980-1990 era of China.
Absolutely not. 1980s-1990s China had backbone, a plan... And already higher literacy and life expectancy.

India = late Qing. Same famine, illiteracy, superstition, lack of organization, foreign worshipping, etc.

Late Qing also bought the best foreign steel battleships from Germany and Britain for the Beiyang fleet... What was their fate?
 
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