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lcloo

Captain

History of Australia's participation in wars since its colonial days. Does the past history has deep root in current Australia's military thinking?

  • Colonial era
    • Frontier warfare, 1788–1934
    • New Zealand Wars, 1861–64
      • Taranaki War
      • Invasion of the Waikato
    • Colonial military forces, 1870–1901
    • Sudan, 1885
    • Second Boer War, 1899–1902
    • Boxer Rebellion, 1900–01
  • First World War, 1914–18
    • Outbreak of hostilities
    • Occupation of German New Guinea
    • Gallipoli
    • Egypt and Palestine
    • Western Front
  • Inter-war years
    • Russian Civil War, 1918–19
    • Malaita, 1927
    • Spanish Civil War, 1936–39
  • Second World War, 1939–45
    • Europe and the Middle East
    • Asia and the Pacific
  • Post-war period
    • Occupation of Japan, 1946–52
  • Cold War
    • Korean War, 1950–53
    • Malayan Emergency, 1950–60
    • Military and Naval growth during the 1960s
    • Indonesia-Malaysia Confrontation, 1962–66
    • Vietnam War, 1962–73
  • Post-Vietnam era
    • Gulf War, 1991
  • New Millennium
    • East Timor, 1999–2013
    • Afghanistan, 2001–present
    • Iraq, 2003–11
    • Military intervention against ISIL, 2014–present
 

siegecrossbow

General
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One of the things that came to my mind recently about where Russia can be helpful is a potential agreement to operate PLAN SSBNs in Russian waters. As an example, the JL-2A supposedly has a range of 11,200 km. That's sufficient to hit a very large chunk of the US from the Bohai Sea - it only leaves around 20% of the US uncovered. However, from there it falls just short of hitting Washington, DC, but it gets so close that I'm struck by the suspicion that the "11,200 km" number was cooked up specifically to achieve that effect.

It seems reasonable to me that the number could well be at least 12,000 km, since missile range improves dramatically with better propellants and motors. Once you pass a certain range threshold, it's incrementally easier to add to the range of the missile just by how the physics works.

Whatever the case, if launched from north of the Bohai Sea (e.g. the Sea of Okhotsk) the JL-2A can cover the entire US and then some.

Russia can be more helpful by proliferating nuclear submarine tech in the Middle East.
 

Andy1974

Senior Member
Registered Member
I never believed for a second it would take AUS 20 years…

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I think for the new builds they will build a final assembly hall in AUS and ship in 90% of parts to build the new subs quickly.
 

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DarkStar

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History of Australia's participation in wars since its colonial days. Does the past history has deep root in current Australia's military thinking?

  • Colonial era
    • Frontier warfare, 1788–1934
    • New Zealand Wars, 1861–64
      • Taranaki War
      • Invasion of the Waikato
    • Colonial military forces, 1870–1901
    • Sudan, 1885
    • Second Boer War, 1899–1902
    • Boxer Rebellion, 1900–01
  • First World War, 1914–18
    • Outbreak of hostilities
    • Occupation of German New Guinea
    • Gallipoli
    • Egypt and Palestine
    • Western Front
  • Inter-war years
    • Russian Civil War, 1918–19
    • Malaita, 1927
    • Spanish Civil War, 1936–39
  • Second World War, 1939–45
    • Europe and the Middle East
    • Asia and the Pacific
  • Post-war period
    • Occupation of Japan, 1946–52
  • Cold War
    • Korean War, 1950–53
    • Malayan Emergency, 1950–60
    • Military and Naval growth during the 1960s
    • Indonesia-Malaysia Confrontation, 1962–66
    • Vietnam War, 1962–73
  • Post-Vietnam era
    • Gulf War, 1991
  • New Millennium
    • East Timor, 1999–2013
    • Afghanistan, 2001–present
    • Iraq, 2003–11
    • Military intervention against ISIL, 2014–present
Australia’s entire cultural identity is built on white Anglo supremacy over the coloureds in a deeply non white neighbourhood. Such supremacist beliefs underwrote the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the continent.

i remember one white Australian I spoke to years ago, likening Australia in Asia as being similar to the crusader states in the levant.

white Australians don’t consider themselves citizens of a nation state per se, but rather as tribesmen of a white Anglo collective built on white Anglo chauvinism. This is why Australia’s economy can be sacrificed for the greater project of white Anglo supremacy
 

yungho

Junior Member
Registered Member
The PRC has been repeatedly shooting itself in the foot with its aggressive and selfish behavior in the SCS, antagonizing pretty much every country in the region.

As for the Filipinos, ask them why they feel the way they do about the Chinese, geopolitics notwithstanding. The Chinese coming to the Phillipines behaving like they own the place have gone a long way in tarnishing their country’s image.

Add to that, that historicaly, Chinese were never that liked to begin with, as they held a grossly disproportionate amount of wealth in the South East Asian countries they lived in.
seamonkeys lmao

do they really?
 

zxcv872

New Member
Registered Member
Short answer, no. For pretty much the same reasons Brazil getting the Álvaro Alberto class will also not be considered a NWS as per NPT.
Does its reactor use weapons grade uranium as fuel? From what I understand it was built with assistance from France, which switched to 7% enriched fuel with the SNA72 reactor for the Rubis class in the 1970s.

Imo it's not just about the strict legal stipulations of the NPT, its also important what effects it has to norms and goodwill if someone exploits NPT loopholes. What I meant is if they will be considered a nuclear armed state for practical purposes, not legal purposes.
 

solarz

Brigadier
I never believed for a second it would take AUS 20 years…

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I think for the new builds they will build a final assembly hall in AUS and ship in 90% of parts to build the new subs quickly.


Perhaps AUS will end up buying HMS Agincourt? It’s construction was in doubt until not long ago, this article is from May 2018…

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So it's just taking existing US/UK subs and deploying them under Australian banner?

How exactly does this change the military calculus for China?
 
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