China's strategy in Afghanistan.

FireyCross

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The Taliban are no angels. They do have a terrible track record wrt human rights and terrorism during their first rule of Afghanistan.

Having said that. There is nothing much that China can do about the Taliban other than engaging with them. I mean what are the alternatives? There is the ex-Afghan govt who is pro-India, anti-Pakistan, and in extension anti-China. There is the Northern Alliance who are no different in ideology and savagery to the Taliban. And finally there are ISIS-K and Al-Qaeda; big no-no's. Ideally, Afghanistan should return to the old secular, socialist government prior to the Mujahideen uprising. But that doesn't look even remotely possible right now.

Sums it up perfectly. No one likes the Taliban, but everyone likes the idea of wading into yet another "regime change" quagmire even less.
 

LesAdieux

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The Taliban are no angels. They do have a terrible track record wrt human rights and terrorism during their first rule of Afghanistan.

Having said that. There is nothing much that China can do about the Taliban other than engaging with them. I mean what are the alternatives? There is the ex-Afghan govt who is pro-India, anti-Pakistan, and in extension anti-China. There is the Northern Alliance who are no different in ideology and savagery to the Taliban. And finally there are ISIS-K and Al-Qaeda; big no-no's. Ideally, Afghanistan should return to the old secular, socialist government prior to the Mujahideen uprising. But that doesn't look even remotely possible right now.

So I agree with the opinion that China needs to just trust and verify with the Taliban. If the Taliban does anything to undermind China or its neighbours, then they should be isolated very quickly. China can still prosper without Afghanistan, it has been doing it all along. But can Afghanistan prosper without China? Well they've already tried the West, India, and Islamic fundamentalism. So its up to them to decide.

typical "holy whore complex".

Taliban are god sent angels. The Taliban that can help to bring down towers in America is good Taliban.
 

Petrolicious88

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Let’s not forget civil war is likely in Afghanistan, and create conditions that could see the rebirth of Al Qaeda, ISIS, ISIS-K and other groups.
 

DarkStar

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Anyone remember the new QUAD that the anglos were going on about back in July? Remember PAKAFUZ? How the anglos were hoping to contain China again via the new Quad in central asia?

LOL the loss of A-stan has really put a dent in anglo plans, no wonder the americans are so intent on revenge and bitter about the loss of A-stan.
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Sardaukar20

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Exactly, this is very close to my opinion about India and Afghanistan.

Over the past two decades, India has invested heavily in Afghanistan with an accumulated investment totaling $3 billion.

India has been so active as an investor in Afghanistan that it reportedly ranked No.1 among all developing countries.

In contrast, data from the Chinese Embassy to Afghanistan showed that China only has $630 million in accumulated non-financial direct investment in the country as of the end of 2020.
Yikes, India have invested $3bil already, and now it has to cut and run from Afghanistan? What a waste! But well deserved.

India entered the Afghan game with the geopolitical aim of containing the development of Pakistan. Over the past two decades, Indian investment was shielded by the US military might in the country. Now that the US has pulled its troops out of Afghanistan, the degree of apprehension in New Dehli about India's investment becoming a sunken capital has begun to rise.
That's what you get for trying to play investment as a geopolitical game. That's what you also get for being a deluded imperialist. Looking to the US military to shield your investments in Afghanistan? That's not your military! They are not obligated to protect Indian investments! You want security? Make friends with whoever is in charge, not just those whom you want to be in charge.

India's treatment of economic cooperation projects as a tool for geopolitics, rather than a genuine regional cooperation, is also in part to blame for the debacle it faces now in Afghanistan.
Economic cooperation as a tool of geopolitics = soft imperialism. Best to leave imperialism to the professionals. This is not a game for amateurs. India had only just got out of imperialism barely more than 70 years ago. India too doesn't have the economic and technological power of the professionals. India is an amateur in this game, but wants to act like its in the big leagues? Good luck then!

As an Indian envoy in Doha met a leader of Taliban in what is the first official diplomatic meeting this week, the Taliban has called for India to continue its political and trade ties with Afghanistan. Perhaps India needs to rethink its Afghan strategy.
An advice likely to be ignored by India.

I think that India could one day worm its way back in Afghanistan when the dust has settled. Assuming that the Taliban had gotten their house in order by that time, India would be facing stiff competition to win any deals with them. Especially if any Indian deals comes with strings attached wrt Indian interests.
 

FireyCross

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Have we got any credible sources in terms of what working military assets the Taliban have managed to capture or pick up? I'm assuming that some of the claims of US Republicans that the Americans left them the keys to the palace are a tad exaggerated. Had they had a functional air ability, I'm guessing we'd have seen it deployed in Panjshir to give their ground forces some cover, and to suppress Panjshiri artillery.

This will also surely shape Chinese perceptions of how much security the Taliban can provide to any future investments. I can't see the Chinese wanting to supply them directly military kit - at least not in the short term.
 

Mohsin77

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The link below is the most popular news anchor in India. He's the same guy who said the PAF lost a F-16 in the 2019 Balakot episode, that China released Coronavirus as a bioweapon, and that Pakistan was training locusts to invade Indian farms.

Now, for the past week, Indian news has been saying that Pakistan invaded Afghanistan with 'F-15s', had another F-16 shot down, and is mounting a full land invasion in support of the Taliban.... It's basically Orwell's 1984 over there (the bollywood version, with singing & dancing.)

 

Bellum_Romanum

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The link below is the most popular news anchor in India. He's the same guy who said the PAF lost a F-16 in the 2019 Balakot episode, that China released Coronavirus as a bioweapon, and that Pakistan was training locusts to invade Indian farms.

Now, for the past week, Indian news has been saying that Pakistan invaded Afghanistan with 'F-15s', had another F-16 shot down, and is mounting a full land invasion in support of the Taliban.... It's basically Orwell's 1984 over there (the bollywood version, with singing & dancing.)

This dude is basically the poor man's version of Sean Hannity of U.S. Fox News fame, but albeit an even worst and more unhinged idiot.
 

Gatekeeper

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Have we got any credible sources in terms of what working military assets the Taliban have managed to capture or pick up? I'm assuming that some of the claims of US Republicans that the Americans left them the keys to the palace are a tad exaggerated. Had they had a functional air ability, I'm guessing we'd have seen it deployed in Panjshir to give their ground forces some cover, and to suppress Panjshiri artillery.

This will also surely shape Chinese perceptions of how much security the Taliban can provide to any future investments. I can't see the Chinese wanting to supply them directly military kit - at least not in the short term.

Not sure how accurate is this. So it's for fun only.

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This dude is basically the poor man's version of Sean Hannity of U.S. Fox News fame, but albeit an even worst and more unhinged idiot.

More like Indians' Gordon Chang.
 

Overbom

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Have we got any credible sources in terms of what working military assets the Taliban have managed to capture or pick up?
It doesn't matter. Afghanistan is ecoomically going down the drain with the civil war they had.

The last thing any sane government would want is to have to maintain thousands of high tech weapons which would cost them a tremendous amount of resources.

My advice to the Taliban wrt the captured equipment would be:

Keep a small portion of that in order to equip a specialised division/brigade along with some for a reserve.

ASAP sell the rest of what has remained to whoever wants to buy that equipment.

Use the money to stabilise the economy and start an infrastructure program in order to promote domestic circulation
 
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