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ougoah

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China needs to control the flow of water for those rivers.

China won't disrupt India's water supply. Even if both nations go to war, this is a step way too far. The Americans would include something this evil in their playbook since they have waged energy and food warfare in the past. India doesn't really depend on those rivers for drinking water. India isn't threatening to disrupt China's sources of water. Unless they have done something that despicable, there is no precedence or justification in engaging India in any sort of direct asymmetric warfare.

Since this issue with India began, China has done very little to India. No trade war against it (despite India attempting this), no sanctions or bans on produce that are actually supporting India's daily function, not even igniting Pakistan India tensions (in fact the opposite has happened). No arming of Pakistan or other groups which work against India's political establishment. Outside of one isolated and relatively harmless cyber attack, possibly done to serve as a warning and demonstration of ability to cripple India's grid, China has largely been very agreeable and passive in confronting India. It doesn't need to be any more. India has largely been harmless even if their intentions are greater than their abilities. Until India translates imagined and intended ills into damaging action, China will not engage. To consider something like controlling the flow of rivers, require India to have done a lot of actual damage to China. I believe China would start with arming and directing rebel groups and hurt India at its pocket. It hasn't even come to that despite India having tried to hurt China's wallet and attempt to instigate social division along with the US.
 

Maula Jatt

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. Even if both nations go to war, this is a step way too far. The Americans would include something this evil in their playbook since they have waged energy and food warfare in the past. India doesn't really depend on those rivers for drinking water. India isn't threatening to disrupt China's sources of water. Unless they have done something that despicable, there is no precedence or justification in engaging India in any sort of direct asymmetric warfare.
This isn't exactly because they're the good guys it's the power dynamics

They don't control Chinese water

They control some Pakistani water supplies and have regularly threatened to block water supplies of Pakistan and when tensions get high they use this tactic (although not to the extent that truly damage Pak but it does result in pain in the a** for Pak)

So don't be fooled by thier benevolence if they had the power they would have used it or at least threatened to use it

Power dynamics are stopping them...
 

ougoah

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This isn't exactly because they're the good guys it's the power dynamics

They don't control Chinese water

They control some Pakistani water supplies and have regularly threatened to block water supplies of Pakistan and when tensions get high they use this tactic (although not to the extent that truly damage Pak but it does result in pain in the a** for Pak)

So don't be fooled by thier benevolence if they had the power they would have used it or at least threatened to use it

Power dynamics are stopping them...

I agree and so mentioned intent and desire in my post. I have little doubt current India may stoop that low if offered the opportunity. But their leaders also probably understand that China won't take actual act of war lightly. China has the opportunity and won't even come close to it. China hasn't even bothered retaliating the economic warfare India attempted.

Note that China has retaliated economic warfare the west has waged on it. It has issued trade blows on Australia in retaliation for Huawei among many other grievances it has with Australia (with the initiator of confrontation being Australia mind you!). China has wrestled with the US here but it earns so much from trade with the US that it tread far more carefully than it did with Australia which enjoys a massive trade surplus with China (China making less selling to Australia than Australia makes selling to China). When it comes to India, China largely ignored it completely, not even bothering to issue some sort of "retaliation". China's ability to escalate on this ladder with India FAR exceed India's - China has more tools to use and things to do if it came to it.

I am not misunderstanding Indian political intent or the desire of the bhakt majority which rule and dominate Indian thought and politics. I am saying that India may have the desire to hurt and damage China but until it does and carries through, China will have no reason to act against it. Anything China does to India would be latched on by the west. These guys invent things, lie, and exaggerate issues way beyond proportion. If China actually did harm to India, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

Like you said, China has no reason to attract negative attention and especially if it has no gain in it. Hurting India doesn't do anything for China except attract even more Indian animosity and western propaganda efforts. Leave them alone but demonstrate ability so they understand that if they were to act in aggression and do damage, they would be outwitted and outplayed in almost every worthwhile domain.
 

natnairda68

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Controlling the famous Ganga river will be impossible but Yarlung Tsampo can and will be controlled.

As India tries to control waters to Pakistan and Bangladesh, China can pull up as a bigger Bro in town.

Kailash mountain is certainly a bigger psycho trump card against India.
There are a lot of not so good things to write about this river polluting country & their bhakts. Among them are ->

1) This map burning nation has always harboroured ill thoughts of annexing Tibet & still does. China's reunification with Tibet in 1950 had foiled & frustrated their plans hence their current 71 years of continued meltdown.
2) Another shameful thing, this cake monopolizing former British colony has always ranted that the British had looted their country dry. However at the same time being serial land grabbers, after attaining independence they have retained their master's expansionist designs & have no qualms of colonising former British conquested lands (which originally did not form 1947 India).
3) Imagine if this good at lying country
is currently stronger than China & Tibet has yet to be liberated, they would have mobilised their troops northwards & orchestrated another Sikkim type of farced referendum in Tibet. Thereafter, Tibet would probably be renamed North Arunachal Pradesh.

 

ougoah

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There are a lot of not so good things to write about this river polluting country & their bhakts. Among them are ->

1) This map burning nation has always harboroured ill thoughts of annexing Tibet & still does. China's reunification with Tibet in 1950 had foiled & frustrated their plans hence their current 71 years of continued meltdown.
2) Another shameful thing, this cake monopolizing former British colony has always ranted that the British had looted their country dry. However at the same time being serial land grabbers, after attaining independence they have retained their master's expansionist designs & have no qualms of colonising former British conquested lands (which originally did not form 1947 India).
3) Imagine if this good at lying country
is currently stronger than China & Tibet has yet to be liberated, they would have mobilised their troops northwards & orchestrated another Sikkim type of farced referendum in Tibet. Thereafter, Tibet would probably be renamed North Arunachal Pradesh.


Lol that tweet is an example of Indian naivety. I can't believe people are this stupid. Do they really not see the precedence being set with something like that?

BTW it is India talking with China on border issues, not the other way around. You can remove dialogue and refuse to talk. That just removes one means of resolving issues. Does India want to give itself only the binary choice of going to war or ignoring everything? There is so much wrong with this sort of sentiment and non of it helps India. India's delusions are honestly some next level stuff.
 

ougoah

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Indian internet geopol expert: "We should refuse to talk to China because they are illegally (wrong) occupying Tibet and so this isn't an Indian China border".

China: "umm... sure okay let's not talk then and only act without efforts for diplomacy... look how well that ended up for you :rolleyes:"

India: "We should take the disputed region!"

China: "doesn't that mean you are illegally (actually now) occupying a part of Tibet?"

India: "... buh buh but vee are very awwsom and guud. SuperPOWA!!!!!!! look at our mightiness China bhed okey??!"
 

Maula Jatt

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I don't really appreciate the casualness of Nanking reference

Way too crude for my liking, but to each thier own I guess
 

ZeEa5KPul

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There's a geographic factoid people who fancy themselves "China analysts" often repeat: China has borders with fourteen countries. Well, once China is done neutering the US and its flunkies in the western Pacific and it's free to turn its attention to India, the number of countries China shares a border with is going to double.
 
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