Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

voyager1

Captain
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After slow and botched up vaccine rollout here, plus public distrust of vaccine be particularly AZ, the aussie media trying to sell the safe vaccine angle again to the public. And the potentially fatal side effect can now be better treated. Even have an Asian doctor front up this piece of news.

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media are saying the blood clot figures are still following those in Europe. About 4-6 cases in a million. About 1 in 4 mortality rate. Now been reduced to 1 in 10. Not sure how reliable the figures are. It's clear they are trying to push AZ to the public,

There has been a total of 41 cases of the blood clotting disorder from AZ so far.


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This is the official Aus gov authority overseeing vaccine safety.
41 cases of blood clots seem like a lot. Man at this point I dont think it is even worth taking the AZ vaccine if you are young.

You probably got more chances of dying from the vaccine than the virus itself
 

supersnoop

Colonel
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A side note. Notice the difference of the straps of the KN95 masks used here versus the ones you can find in retail stores.


This has been a pet peeve of mine since the beginning of the pandemic and the "defective Chinese mask" fake news.

I have made at least 2 posts on this and will continue to push this point as long as people will listen.
As you observed, the fastening method is behind head/neck vs. around the ear.
This is the MEDICAL standard (K)N95. This is the case in China, and this is the case in the USA as per NIOSH standards.

What China has (because of the pollution) is a civilian standard KN95 which uses earloops. This doesn't always create a tight enough seal for medical standards, but for their intended use, they are fine. Earloops are much easier to don and remove as well as generally more comfortable. If you see the number of people wearing genuine N95s with one of the straps hanging about (or the most egregious misapplication I've seen, an older Chinese woman in a supermarket wearing one sideways), then you can see why earloops are used for non-professionals. Improper wearing of such a mask greatly reduces it's effectiveness.

Most of the "defective masks" were actually these civilian models never intended for medical professionals. However, the story really conveniently fit the "evil China" narrative.
 

NiuBiDaRen

Brigadier
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Oh deary me. Gosh. Where do I start?

Since it's gone from generalities to personal, I'll chip in with some personal anecdotes as well then.

I know from personal experience that not all sea sports are "cooling during hot weather". Especially sailing and kayaking where you aren't supposed to be actually in the drink. If you splash seawater on yourself to cool off, when it dries, the salt crystals on your skin make the sun's effect worse. Sailing and Kayaking and any sea sport where you stay dry(ish) is hell in bright, sunny conditions. Give me overcast anytime (except while diving) - more wind, more cooling.

Also, I conflated nothing. I simply tried to give examples of some common sea sports and how the local conditions aren't conducive :)
I mentioned surfing because we have absolutely no waves to surf on. I didn't mention windsurfing now did I?

That said, surfing is actually possible in Singapore, I've done it myself. You can do it at the Wave House. Even snow skiing is possible in Singapore (@Snow City). For the uninitiated, those 2 venues are artificial wave and snow slopes facilities in Singapore.

Facetious as my clarification may be, it is a deliberate counterpoint to your assertions that you can windsurf/foil, wing surf/foil in Singapore. Yes, you most certainly can, despite our "tame winds". Just like you most certainly can surf and snow ski in Singapore in our ersatz facilities. But the reality is that these conditions are very borderline and very much suitable only for conducting the most basic of activities and beginner lessons. Yes I actually do participate in a lot of sea sports and I can tell you that you will very quickly tire of the "tame" ,beginner friendly conditions here.

Also, you can kite surf in Singapore without a board. My friend (no, not Chow Yuen Fatt) who kitesurfs regularly will disagree with you that you need a boat to do it in Singapore.

I don't know why Chow Yuen Fatt is even being mentioned at all. I don't quite see how Mark gor's involvement legitimises aquatic sports in Singapore but I will be sure to ask him next time I say hello to him across the driveway. Maybe he can endorse my sport(s).

And ... Scuba is not a sport? My, my, my. The next time I am in Zhanjiang for a meeting with the president of CUA/AUF, I will be sure to inform him that CMAS has it wrong. Scuba is a sport under the auspice of CMAS, along with quite a few other sub-aquatic sports which you probably have never even heard of. Ever tried underwater rock rugby? I have, when I was diving in Japan. It happened in salt water, off the beach, so it is a sea sport?

Scuba may not be ideal in Singapore but I can assure you it is not just because of urban runoff. Land reclamation wreaks havoc with underwater viz too. But maritime traffic definitely plays havoc with Uw viz in shallow channels. I've done a few hundred dives off the Malaysian islands where cruise ships sometimes go by to know the difference. Multiply that by the frequency of large ships going around Singapore and you tell me it's not a factor. My forum nick is also my bottom gas of choice. When you figure out what that is and what type of diving it entails, please come back and tell me again that what I do isn't a sport or I am not adventurous or even that Scuba is not a sport. :p

Singaporeans are definitely a different breed from HK'ers. The HK'ers I met in Uni are by and large urban cowboys with some rare exception. By contrast, every Singaporean son is a soldier as well and are easily more outdoorsy and more willing to get sweaty/dirty than your average HK'er.

Also, Yes, in the sea sports scene the gwailos may be over-represented compared to their actual percentage of population but our seasport scene is definitely majority locals. That the HK's scene is majority gwailo does prove the point that Singaporeans are more sporty.

There is high separation between maritime traffic and our sea sports activity zone? Tell that to the bulk carrier bearing down on my laser giving us warning toots on her horn. That happened when I was sailing off Seletar. Tell me about the separation again when I am on a southern coast traverse on my ocean kayak, especially when I am rounding Sentosa with the currents and port.

Sailing, as with many water sports from Singapore, their competition success mostly stops at the Asiad level. We are capable of dominating the regional scene but once we go on the global stage, we are very much found wanting. What sailing is though, is it is very well funded as it is one of 2 sports identified by the government as high potential for olympic success given our physical disadvantages in many other sports. Most other sports federation don't look very kindly at sailing/shooting as these two sucked up al l the sports dollars and our federations were plundered to fund them - and they still haven't produced Olympic gold which is the KPI. HK has though in sailing. Don't sell your own hometown short.

No you are most assuredly not quite mad dog status yet. If you haven't played the classic Englishmen sport of rugby or cricket in the mid day heat, then you are most assuredly not a mad dog yet. When you have, come talk to me again about how you managed to infer so much about me from so little info and what really defines sporty or adventurous...

Meantime, this is very much ot from coronavirus so I'll stop here.
You need to read the part where I said kayaking is a green water sport. Further, you wanted to argue scuba is a sport. Since you want to be pedantic I'll be pedantic.

Definition of sport
an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

What's the point of being pedantic here? Trying to score points against me?
 
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NiuBiDaRen

Brigadier
Registered Member
You're obviously trying to backtrack from mixing up windsurfing and surfing. You just insulted surfing enthusiasts and windsurfing enthusiasts. Now you say surfing can actually be done in Singapore - but at an artificial wave house.

What can I say?

I can prove that your claim is wrong by getting my friend to video the scenes at the major sea sports centers in Singapore this afternoon or tomorrow afternoon Singapore time.

It's full of people enjoying sea sports, mainly expatriates.

Stop with these unverifiable claims. I have nothing more to say to you.

Lastly, just about your claim you can't go fast in Singapore. In general, you get a 8m or 10m sail in moderate wind conditions and you'll travel fast. For windfoilers, this is more than enough to lift the board off the water and skim with the foil.

Really I am just awestruck at your ill advised desire to get your feet wet trying to argue with me about sea sports.... ;)
 
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Sardaukar20

Captain
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Wow the standards for a victory has certainly down. So simply flying vaccines (faulty and dangerous might I add) into Taiwan is a big win, this is certainly going add the number of people killed by faulty vaccines. The Taiwanese government must seriously lost their marbles at this point because they seem to equate trolling with winning. If Taiwan is really in a strong position compared to China, they wouldn’t even bother mentioning this news at all and really taking care of the people comes first, none of the saner rattling matters because regardless of what the Taiwan government does at this point, isn’t going to affect China’s bottom line whatsoever. The fact that the USA is only trying to help in the smallest possible way shows just how little damn they really give for Taiwan and ultimately the leader herself should get a real reality check because she hasn’t done anything to address the fact that business is starting to leave Taiwan right now
I understand your frustration. But we've seen this all before. It's called the 'Jai Hind!' disease. ;)
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
This has been a pet peeve of mine since the beginning of the pandemic and the "defective Chinese mask" fake news.

I have made at least 2 posts on this and will continue to push this point as long as people will listen.
As you observed, the fastening method is behind head/neck vs. around the ear.
This is the MEDICAL standard (K)N95. This is the case in China, and this is the case in the USA as per NIOSH standards.

What China has (because of the pollution) is a civilian standard KN95 which uses earloops. This doesn't always create a tight enough seal for medical standards, but for their intended use, they are fine. Earloops are much easier to don and remove as well as generally more comfortable. If you see the number of people wearing genuine N95s with one of the straps hanging about (or the most egregious misapplication I've seen, an older Chinese woman in a supermarket wearing one sideways), then you can see why earloops are used for non-professionals. Improper wearing of such a mask greatly reduces it's effectiveness.

Most of the "defective masks" were actually these civilian models never intended for medical professionals. However, the story really conveniently fit the "evil China" narrative.

Most defective masks were a result of Americans literally repacking Chinese civilian KN95 masks to remove the non-medical use labelling so they can sell to hospitals at a higher price.

Funny how the western MSM only blames China and the real story is relegated to fringe news networks and often dismissed as ‘fake news’.

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NiuBiDaRen

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Anyway if there are any people here in Singapore or Hong Kong who want to race me in sea sports, let me know. I can even do scuba diving racing since a member here keeps arguing scuba is a competitive sport. :cool:
 
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