Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[AndrewS]

Singapore isn't really that expensive a city to live in.
The indexes that put us at the top are based on an expatriate, high living lifestyle.

Trust me, it really is much more expensive to spend a weekend away that it is to stay in Singapore.

I previously lived in Singapore for a year.
And trust me when I say that alcohol costs for a weekend in London or Singapore can be outrageous.
Therefore it works out cheaper to go away for the weekend instead. Think Eastern Europe or a Thai island instead.

Also, not to make light of the difficulties you face but I have a friend in Italy who thought our experiences were similar until Italy went into full lockdown recently and he wasn't allowed to leave the municipality of Milan for close on 2 months.

He went ballistic.

What got to him was that everywhere he went, he couldn't find an empty, quiet spot. The parks, the trials, the lakes, everywhere was just people.

Tantalisingly, one border away, the empty hills beckoned.

London is a great city and I don't think you will run out of things to do in London, moneyed or not. The issue is imagine being restricted to just metro London and not being able to just get away from the madding crowd. That is the wear and tear that is grating at us, not boredom.

Well, remember everything has been shut down in London for most of the past 16 months, so people literally had nothing to do or go in their spare time.

Not very common or much discussed.

Even AZ is not viewed in a terrible light in the sense that yes, we are aware of the blood clots but we are also rather sanguine about it being almost a one-in-a-million thing. AZ is also viewed rather comically as the vaccine the western countries won't use/approve but are donating to other countries. #rolleyes

Again, I have to qualify that there are segments, as with any population, that see things that see things not from a rational view but rather from ignorance or political lenses. So there definitely chicken littles running around.

You could claim that the lack of discussion in official channels is manipulation by the govt to push people to the endorsed Pfizer/moderna shot
OTOH, the lack of discussion in non-official channels really points to rare side effects being seen as less of an issue than the unknown of nRNA tech.

The Danish government has said AstraZeneca blood costs are actually 1 in 40000.

 

[AndrewS]

well, not much you could do in Singapore ... and going to Batam and Johor would be considered overseas trip .. not really smart comparison, you should be better than that

For UK, it is true when the UK was part of EU .. travel between UK and France was like between city ... but now, the figure would be totally different


No, you have no clues about NZ ... you knew something (not much) better after googling ... thanks mr google

Paris or Brussels is very different vibe from London. I've taken the train or driven before a number of times.
A 2hour flight from London gets you to a lot more options in terms of destinations.

And despite what you think, I've already come across comparative travel stats before.
I provide references just so I don't get into pointless drawn out arguments. You can argue with the reference instead.
And I try not to express an opinion unless I have the numbers or analysis.

You can look up some of my past posts, which some people found very controversial, but they couldn't coherently destroy the logic.

 

[SteelBird]

Really? How did you find out?

Reported by Taiwanese mouth piece

 

[Abominable]

Get ready for propaganda multiplier effect
I think this was already posted

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Already I have seen this article quoted around the internet as "proof" both by random comments on the internet and other publications

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Yet if anyone actually bothers to read the content


Well, that pretty much means the spike in cases is unrelated to the efficacy of the vaccine. If Bahrain had lost confidence in Sinopharm, they could just drop it like many countries have dropped AstraZeneca. Instead, they are only encouraging Pfizer boosters for at risk groups such as people with comorbidities such as obesity. Otherwise they are also encouraging a third Sinopharm shot as well.



So before the Chinese vaccines were unreliable because the studies were not published. Now they are published, but they are unreliable because of other unpublished studies.
Let's give the study the benefit of the doubt though.
1. 150 is pretty limited considering thousands have been vaccinated with Sinopharm
2. So the finding is that 71% does have antibodies? The WHO has accepted the 79% number, so we are looking at only a 8% difference in a very, very limited study.

Yep. You're right on all points. It's important to publish so methodology can be scrutinised. Studies on all these have shown that the time gap between doses can have a big impact on efficacy, as can age and other demographics.

The third point I'd add is that there's no mention of a comparison with western vaccines. Imagine if a newspaper made the same claims about a AstraZeneca quoting a small south American paper? I'm sure they would be ostracised for publishing "fake news".

There's been a general lack of constructive criticism in the western media - 99% percent of it is "trust the government". Not a single article has questioned the decision of using experimental mRNA over a vaccine based on more established vaccine technology.

I agree Pfizer/Moderna seem to be more effective than Sinopharm (Astrazeneca is about equal), but at what cost?

Vaccines normally take years to develop, and a big reason for that is to monitor for long term side effects.

 

[Heliox]

I previously lived in Singapore for a year.
And trust me when I say that alcohol costs for a weekend in London or Singapore can be outrageous.
Therefore it works out cheaper to go away for the weekend instead. Think Eastern Europe or a Thai island instead.

Yeah, you're spot on for that one. Alcohol and smokes flew under my radar cos thankfully I don't smoke and drink. Bloody expensive habits to have in Sinkers and London.

That aside, I still stand by my assertion that Singapore is still cheap-ish
... but yes, without the smokes and alcohol, Singapore is not quite as fun anymore is it?

Well, remember everything has been shut down in London for most of the past 16 months, so people literally had nothing to do or go in their spare time.

Not the point I was trying to make. Places may be shut in central London but you could still drive anywhere you wished short of during the Tier 4 lockdowns (when people fled before the lockdown anyways)?

My pals in London were taking drives up to the lake district for a weekend away. Makes a big difference that.

The Danish government has said AstraZeneca blood costs are actually 1 in 40000.

Don't doubt that but what is the mortality rate?
But yes, blood clots are scary enough that most people will be more cautious when faced with 1 in 40k risks even if mostly non-cerebral veinous clots.

During the first round of vaccinations (pfizer/moderna), MOH released a report that gave a side effect count of I think it was 300+ out of a few ten thousand vaccinations. These were mild reactions that resolved within the afternoon.

This 300+ figure was pushed by certain IBs with an agenda through social media trying to cause alarm about the vaccination program. Most of us know enough to not bother about side effect risks that aren't consequential and we filter them out. The chicken littles otoh of course couldn't be saved.

 

[bajingan]

Yeah, you're spot on for that one. Alcohol and smokes flew under my radar cos thankfully I don't smoke and drink. Bloody expensive habits to have in Sinkers and London.

That aside, I still stand by my assertion that Singapore is still cheap-ish
... but yes, without the smokes and alcohol, Singapore is not quite as fun anymore is it?

From my personal experience, i have travelled both thailand and singapore extensively for work and travel, i choose thailand every single day of the week, the people is more friendly, down to earth and polite, the food is better and cheaper in fact everything is cheaper in thailand, the beaches is far more beautiful and if you like metropolitan big city life, bangkok has everything singapore has at cheaper price, night life are riotous and wild (if you know what im talking about)
And if you like cultural attractions, thailand is far more original their temples and traditional dances will amazes you
Anyway my apologies off topic

 

[KYli]

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[Temstar]

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Of course you're thinking "If WHO can prove that COVID-19 was already spreading in Italy in October 2019 then that means US and friends can no longer slander Wuhan and China right?"

Awww but you see, I can already tell you what they're going to say:

"WHO is in China's pockets!"
"COVID-19 was spreading in China in November September 2019 and CCP was covering it up!"
And the third option, just keep quiet and don't report the finding.

 

[getready]

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Of course you're thinking "If WHO can prove that COVID-19 was already spreading in Italy in October 2019 then that means US and friends can no longer slander Wuhan and China right?"

Awww but you see, I can already tell you what they're going to say:

"WHO is in China's pockets!"
"COVID-19 was spreading in China in November September 2019 and CCP was covering it up!"
And the third option, just keep quiet and don't report the finding.

The origin of covid plus fact finding mission is way too politicised now and has been poisoned by US and her minions.

I agree with this lady.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1402039390117896193

 

[getready]

After slow and botched up vaccine rollout here, plus public distrust of vaccine be particularly AZ, the aussie media trying to sell the safe vaccine angle again to the public. And the potentially fatal side effect can now be better treated. Even have an Asian doctor front up this piece of news.

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media are saying the blood clot figures are still following those in Europe. About 4-6 cases in a million. About 1 in 4 mortality rate. Now been reduced to 1 in 10. Not sure how reliable the figures are. It's clear they are trying to push AZ to the public,

There has been a total of 41 cases of the blood clotting disorder from AZ so far.

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This is the official Aus gov authority overseeing vaccine safety.