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Tyler

Captain
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Actually this type of delusion / cult is good from a china strategic stand point, if they already believe they are doing as well as the west, they will just be less motivated to improve.
Just hilariously deluded.
 

NiuBiDaRen

Brigadier
Registered Member
The US Senate is one of the main pillars of the Government i.e. the legislature, the body that can make and change laws. A senator i.e. a lawmaker is as representative of their own government as it gets.

If you were to say the senators don't represent the US "Administration" which is the executive branch of the Government, then you'd be technically correct. But they're most definitely representing the US Government in all conducts of an official nature regardless.
Ha when a US Senator says something wrong, the media quickly frames it as 'it's just one guy's opinion, doesn't represent the US government'. When some random village official in China makes a verbal slip-up, the media quotes him as though it came straight from the mouth of Xi Jinping and the Central Committee and then contorts it into how the whole of China/Chinese people/Chinese government is like that.

For example if some random Chinese village official who hasn't been promoted in thirty years says women can't drive, then the article goes 'Chinese Government Makes Assumptions About Women, Worrying Women's Rights Activists'.
 

hashtagpls

Senior Member
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Ha when a US Senator says something wrong, the media quickly frames it as 'it's just one guy's opinion, doesn't represent the US government'. When some random village official in China makes a verbal slip-up, the media quotes him as though it came straight from the mouth of Xi Jinping and the Central Committee and then contorts it into how the whole of China/Chinese people/Chinese government is like that.

For example if some random Chinese village official who hasn't been promoted in thirty years says women can't drive, then the article goes 'Chinese Government Makes Assumptions About Women, Worrying Women's Rights Activists'.
This MO is actually consistent with the subconscious western desire to dehumanise Asians because it supports their innate desire to rob and exploit Asians. It's easier to do bad shit to someone when you don't see them as human. It's easier to live with endorsing bombs on people if the media tells you they're not human, as the muslims experienced in the 2000s.
 

SilentObserver

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This MO is actually consistent with the subconscious western desire to dehumanise Asians because it supports their innate desire to rob and exploit Asians. It's easier to do bad shit to someone when you don't see them as human. It's easier to live with endorsing bombs on people if the media tells you they're not human, as the muslims experienced in the 2000s.
That's a good point. Propaganda campaigns before fighting a war creates a positive feed back loop to antagonize against a certain group. We see that with Nazi propaganda laying the social foundations before forcing Jews and other groups into ghettos and then concentration camps or against Eastern Europeans before invasion and attempts at genocide. It enables a smoother transition to wartime social mobilization with less resources used for domestic enforcement. It seems like the US is pushing a softer vision of this and creating an environment where it is politically correct to attack China, with greater focus on attack against Chinese people coming from right leaning voices. One can argue that the left and right represent distinct political groups with distinct views but functionally effect of the two sides in terms of foreign influence is able to attack both China's government and the people themselves (other Asians by extension).

Dehumanization against a group appears to be the ground work for waging war and slaughter of a people. Recently I've seen some videos about ETIM in Syria and how they are teaching their youth to hate other ethnic groups of China and that they should kill all non-Uyghurs in Xinjiang. Lets not forget that the US delisted ETIM from the terror group list. I think we will see more US supported Islamic groups and anti-China groups further co-operation in media efforts to demonize the Chinese state as well as dehumanize the Chinese people. We see the seeds of this being planted. While I don't see ETIM having the ability to cause much damage within China themselves, it will likely become a node in a growing network of an anti-China bloc that will even attract groups that were previously anti-US and anti-Israel.

It is interesting that America accuses China of waging war against Uyghurs when the media environment in China doesn't try to paint a negative image of the group. There's isn't an active media campaign to dehumanize the people or its culture. In fact it appears to be the opposite, thus I don't see an attempt for China to wage war against one of its ethnic groups.
 

emblem21

Major
Registered Member
That's a good point. Propaganda campaigns before fighting a war creates a positive feed back loop to antagonize against a certain group. We see that with Nazi propaganda laying the social foundations before forcing Jews and other groups into ghettos and then concentration camps or against Eastern Europeans before invasion and attempts at genocide. It enables a smoother transition to wartime social mobilization with less resources used for domestic enforcement. It seems like the US is pushing a softer vision of this and creating an environment where it is politically correct to attack China, with greater focus on attack against Chinese people coming from right leaning voices. One can argue that the left and right represent distinct political groups with distinct views but functionally effect of the two sides in terms of foreign influence is able to attack both China's government and the people themselves (other Asians by extension).

Dehumanization against a group appears to be the ground work for waging war and slaughter of a people. Recently I've seen some videos about ETIM in Syria and how they are teaching their youth to hate other ethnic groups of China and that they should kill all non-Uyghurs in Xinjiang. Lets not forget that the US delisted ETIM from the terror group list. I think we will see more US supported Islamic groups and anti-China groups further co-operation in media efforts to demonize the Chinese state as well as dehumanize the Chinese people. We see the seeds of this being planted. While I don't see ETIM having the ability to cause much damage within China themselves, it will likely become a node in a growing network of an anti-China bloc that will even attract groups that were previously anti-US and anti-Israel.

It is interesting that America accuses China of waging war against Uyghurs when the media environment in China doesn't try to paint a negative image of the group. There's isn't an active media campaign to dehumanize the people or its culture. In fact it appears to be the opposite, thus I don't see an attempt for China to wage war against one of its ethnic groups.
The only problem with dehumanising on a mass scale is that it only truly works when the target not only cannot fight back, but only if the nation that is dehumanising others is strong enough to back up such a thing. Gone are the days that the USA can simply go into the Middle East and not expect blow back and also with there actions am causing the migrant crisis in Europe as a result, well it isn’t going to be very easy to do to Asians this time round as the attacks on almost every Asian shows.
Also, they have been dehumanising Russia for so long that they drove China and Russia together. This will have some scary connotations going forward given what China and Russia will do if the west ever let their guard down for even a second and please note that the USA government has been stuck in the super power do what ever I want without a care and now that they are faced with a foe that unfortunately has every incentive to fight back and has progressively gain the means to infliction some serious damage in the right circumstances, they have defaulted to their usual antics without even considering the costs and the possibility that these actions are going to backfire as the coming weeks are now showing with the very foundation under grave threat (the US dollar) to which if no solution is offered up fast, soon the inexpensive life style that the USA is so used to could disappear for good along with all the rare earths and even fuel for their cars, which can spell the end for any nation only this time given the weakness to the infrastructure to the USA right now, well either the USA start cleaning up their oppressors act or it will invite numerous nations to do unto them that they have been doing unto others and make so that there will be an incentive to treating them like the Germans treated the Jews during ww2.
 

paullee

New Member
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The only problem with dehumanising on a mass scale is that it only truly works when the target not only cannot fight back, but only if the nation that is dehumanising others is strong enough to back up such a thing. Gone are the days that the USA can simply go into the Middle East and not expect blow back and also with there actions am causing the migrant crisis in Europe as a result, well it isn’t going to be very easy to do to Asians this time round as the attacks on almost every Asian shows.
Also, they have been dehumanising Russia for so long that they drove China and Russia together. This will have some scary connotations going forward given what China and Russia will do if the west ever let their guard down for even a second and please note that the USA government has been stuck in the super power do what ever I want without a care and now that they are faced with a foe that unfortunately has every incentive to fight back and has progressively gain the means to infliction some serious damage in the right circumstances, they have defaulted to their usual antics without even considering the costs and the possibility that these actions are going to backfire as the coming weeks are now showing with the very foundation under grave threat (the US dollar) to which if no solution is offered up fast, soon the inexpensive life style that the USA is so used to could disappear for good along with all the rare earths and even fuel for their cars, which can spell the end for any nation only this time given the weakness to the infrastructure to the USA right now, well either the USA start cleaning up their oppressors act or it will invite numerous nations to do unto them that they have been doing unto others and make so that there will be an incentive to treating them like the Germans treated the Jews during ww2.
Yes this aint 1970 no more, and China is not Iraq.... If US really crazy enough to start a kinetic hot war with China, it will be the end of US Empire, maybe even the end of US as a nation....
 

Gatekeeper

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Never forget why the flag of China is red. Never forget how the People's Republic was forged.

Never forget that the wolves are still out there, and they're only waiting for a moment of weakness before they pounce.


The newest version is even better! The last one was good but showed barely any military footage, looked more like a tourist video. This latest version shows China's increased investment into the PLA and just feels more badass and motivating.

Love this kid. And the parents taught him well.


Thank you for the reminder and uplifting video.
中国起来

I know I've posted this before, but one can never get tired of it.

Not only had 中国站起来, 中国强大来

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Mr T

Senior Member
1. Generalize an isolated incident to the failure of the whole society.
I didn't mention Chinese society, I talked about education outcomes and pay. That was something done in the demographics thread. I haven't claimed that Chinese people are against better pay for teachers. My whole argument in the demographics section was that better education, including pay, would encourage people to have children in China.

Chinese "society" also cannot increase pay for teachers, as it has no say in the process.
2. Project the failure as the flaw of the Chinese government.
I didn't mention the Chinese government had failed, you've assumed I was thinking about it. Xi Jinping does not personally set teachers' pay. It would also be unfair to blame him for a long-standing issue. If he's in power for another decade and ignores the issue, sure, but I'm willing to give him more time to address education.
3. Deflect similar incidents in the West.
I don't recall any discussions here about rape in non-Chinese schools. Someone I think posted an article about a rape case in India, and vincent posted an article about historic deaths of native Canadian children in schools in "response" to the SCMP article I wrote.
4. Stereotype mainland Chinese as sheep that would automatic deference to authority.
When I posted the article I didn't mention deference to authority. I just mentioned pay. Deference could be an issue regarding why more wasn't done to challenge the teacher's behaviour sooner, but it's not necessarily relevant as to why it happened in the first place.

Besides, are you really going to tell me that Chinese are defiant against authority, in a one party state with a lot of internal security resources? I didn't call them sheep, but I think you'd be mad to say Chinese people's default reaction is to challenge authority.

5. Making excuse for the West when Western parents and police also deference to religious schools, organization and priests for abuses
I pointed out that your comparison didn't work because they're unpaid positions so increasing pay wouldn't logically be a solution. Also because the scandals came to light it's much less likely parents would now leave their children unsupervised, because they're less trusting. In contrast parents can't go to school with their children to protect them.

What is your point? Every countries in the world have the same issue. As the best and brightest teachers want to work in the best school districts that pay the most.
I'm not sure anyone approaching this with a fair attitude would pretend educations outcomes in China are as equal as in Europe or many other first world countries. Because a country does not have a perfect education system does not mean China's cannot be better. Education provision in many Chinese cities has improved, but there is an education gap.

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"Since local governments in impoverished rural regions have failed to raise teachers’ salary levels due to their financial constraints, it is a common practice for rural schools to hire contract teachers—teachers who are employed on fixed-term contracts.
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are paid lower salaries and are less-educated relative to regular teachers, and rarely receive pedagogical training."


As I mentioned in the demographics discussion, I think pay should be set at a national level across provinces so that there's more incentive to teach in rural areas. This is normal in say countries like the UK, where public sector salaries don't differ significantly from county to county.

Your attitude is like an Amercian saying "all countries have problems with gun crime, what's your point" when talking about shootings in the US. A fair minded person would accept other countries are able to deal with the issue better.

The problem is that you're too defensive. If an article about something bad happening in China is posted and someone tries to make a wider point, you assume it's an "attack on China" that needs to be shut down rather than engaged with. Hell, if you don't like the article you can ignore it. It's not like I asked you to discuss it with me.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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Moderator - World Affairs
I didn't mention Chinese society, I talked about education outcomes and pay. That was something done in the demographics thread. I haven't claimed that Chinese people are against better pay for teachers. My whole argument in the demographics section was that better education, including pay, would encourage people to have children in China.
dude, look up the meaning of this phrase: 司马昭之心路人皆知
You are wasting your time and ours. we all know your agenda.
 
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