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[Mr T]

True. The top political leadership seems to be immune to investigations and corruption busting. AFAIK from the Politburo have only gotten Zhou Yongkang who was like a walking corruption meme and thats only because he tried nasty stuff behind the CPC's back.

This is a serious issue. Nobody serious can tell.me that for so many years the Politburo was a shining beacon of justice and morality while it was these "bad low-level" officials who did all this corruption, yeah no way my dude. I am 100% that there were (are?..) corrupt people in the Politburo.

I would say however that IMO Xi seriously wants to jail these kinds of people but he is held back by the CPC. Remember, the CPC had to strike a deal to charge, Zhou Yongkang from the Politburo....

Xi does have unprecedented levels of power right now, certainly since Deng and maybe even Mao. Don't forget, Deng had to fight economic hardliners in the 1990s with the Southern tour. I don't see Xi having to do that.

If Xi can't deal with corruption within the CCP, then it's not going to get addressed for a long time, as it's possible his successor will have his wings clipped to avoid another potential President-for-life scenario.

I think we agree that part of the issue is that because corruption is so widespread, if he did fire or imprison everyone who took bribes or whatever the Party would be hollowed out - he might even have to purge members of his family who cashed in on his status. (That assumes, of course, that he hasn't taken bribes himself. He's not going to purge himself.)

This is one of the problems for China, in that it's difficult to see a person coming to power who has not been tempted to use their status to enrich themselves and/or their families, not least because if you get someone who is super-clean, senior members of the Party may be suspicious that if such a person gets powerful they will purge them (the corrupt seniors) in the future. I'm not sure how you can break the cycle. You can try increasing wages, as I mentioned earlier, but there's still a high risk that even if people lower down the ladder are reasonably satisfied, if they believe their managers and top bosses are corrupt they'll just carry on as normal.

 

[KampfAlwin]

Xi does have unprecedented levels of power right now, certainly since Deng and maybe even Mao. Don't forget, Deng had to fight economic hardliners in the 1990s with the Southern tour. I don't see Xi having to do that.

If Xi can't deal with corruption within the CCP, then it's not going to get addressed for a long time, as it's possible his successor will have his wings clipped to avoid another potential President-for-life scenario.

I think we agree that part of the issue is that because corruption is so widespread, if he did fire or imprison everyone who took bribes or whatever the Party would be hollowed out - he might even have to purge members of his family who cashed in on his status. (That assumes, of course, that he hasn't taken bribes himself. He's not going to purge himself.)

This is one of the problems for China, in that it's difficult to see a person coming to power who has not been tempted to use their status to enrich themselves and/or their families, not least because if you get someone who is super-clean, senior members of the Party may be suspicious that if such a person gets powerful they will purge them (the corrupt seniors) in the future. I'm not sure how you can break the cycle. You can try increasing wages, as I mentioned earlier, but there's still a high risk that even if people lower down the ladder are reasonably satisfied, if they believe their managers and top bosses are corrupt they'll just carry on as normal.

I think it’s impossible to truly end corruption. You can try to reduce it by being a developed nation with comes with more wealth, better services etc which provides less incentive to be corrupt.

 

[voyager1]

Xi does have unprecedented levels of power right now, certainly since Deng and maybe even Mao. Don't forget, Deng had to fight economic hardliners in the 1990s with the Southern tour. I don't see Xi having to do that.

If Xi can't deal with corruption within the CCP, then it's not going to get addressed for a long time, as it's possible his successor will have his wings clipped to avoid another potential President-for-life scenario.

I think we agree that part of the issue is that because corruption is so widespread, if he did fire or imprison everyone who took bribes or whatever the Party would be hollowed out - he might even have to purge members of his family who cashed in on his status. (That assumes, of course, that he hasn't taken bribes himself. He's not going to purge himself.)

This is one of the problems for China, in that it's difficult to see a person coming to power who has not been tempted to use their status to enrich themselves and/or their families, not least because if you get someone who is super-clean, senior members of the Party may be suspicious that if such a person gets powerful they will purge them (the corrupt seniors) in the future. I'm not sure how you can break the cycle. You can try increasing wages, as I mentioned earlier, but there's still a high risk that even if people lower down the ladder are reasonably satisfied, if they believe their managers and top bosses are corrupt they'll just carry on as normal.

Xi is powerful but not as powerful as Mao or even Deng was IMO. He still has to get CPC approval and agreement before he moves on any significant issues. don't forget that Xi's anti-corruption was actually agreed by the CPC itself as it recognised that things were in very bad stage when Xi took office.

But I agree, that it would be impossible to end corruption as almost all the people in power have grown into an environment where corruption was more or less required in order to climb the party ranks

I think the compromise they have struck is ok. So, for the most high level CPC leadership, they wont touch them or investigate their past, but that means that from now on you are not allowed to do similar things. So, past corruption forgiven, from now it is forbidden, otherwise you will get in massive trouble

I'm not sure how you can break the cycle

The solution is only one. Digitised government. Xi's administration has undertaken unprecedented steps toward transperancy and open governance.

First this is implemented on gov work, and AFAIK it is now transferred to low-level party members with a plan to moving it on medium-level party members on the coming years.

You can write it down, I am fully expecting that by 2030, the Party as an organisation would be completely different than now and would produce much better results for China

 

[siegecrossbow]

Did someone here say the Tiananmen protest is not seeking a revolution to over throw the government? Gee

I think we better watch this video before it gets taken down.

The words of a revolutionary straight from the horses mouth:

"we were hoping for a bloodshed!"....... providing is other people's blood, as "I won't be staying . I'll be leaving, I want to live!" Such revolutionary zeal! Lol

You have to look at it from the lens of Chinese people during the 1970s and 1980s. China has just begun to open up to the rest of the world and cozied up with the Western side of the iron curtain. The first post-cultural revolution era Chinese who traveled abroad must be shocked by the insurmountable rift between Chinese and western living standards. Would you not question your politics system when you see the difference?

 

[Gatekeeper]

You have to look at it from the lens of Chinese people during the 1970s and 1980s. China has just begun to open up to the rest of the world and cozied up with the Western side of the iron curtain. The first post-cultural revolution era Chinese who traveled abroad must be shocked by the insurmountable rift between Chinese and western living standards. Would you not question your politics system when you see the difference?

Yes. That's truth. But, these people haven't travel. China was still very poor. And travel hasn't taken off just yet.

But what is true, is the constant media articles showing up to the Chinese populace that these western countries are far "better off" than the Chinese.

Particularly when less than a generation ago, China was still in the grip of cultural revolution, and less than a decade ago. China was in the grip of power struggle between the gang of four and Deng.

Also, Chinese are not stupid, after a century of western dominance and pillage, china is going to be a lot poorer place. The adults in the room understand that. It is the idealist students that think prosperity equates to democracy (And not military might, and subjugation of the third world).

This encouraged (indeed supported) by foreign agent, leading up to the event that took place.

After all that is said and done, the point of this video is to point out these idealists wanted a bloodbath........ to achive their goal, providing it is someone else's blood. They are not stupid enough to die themselves for the course!

 

[windsclouds2030]

Did someone here say the Tiananmen protest is not seeking a revolution to over throw the government? Gee

I think we better watch this video before it gets taken down.

The words of a revolutionary straight from the horses mouth:

"we were hoping for a bloodshed!"....... providing is other people's blood, as "I won't be staying . I'll be leaving, I want to live!" Such revolutionary zeal! Lol

Tiananmen 1989 Student Leader: "We are hoping for bloodshed" | Western MSM will never show this

There is a lot of misinformation and Western-media-created myth surrounding the mainland Chinese student protests of 1989 which involved occupying Tiananmen Square. This is a raw interview with Tiananmen Square's most radical/recognizable student leader, and Commander-in-Chief of the Defend Tiananmen Headquarters, Chailing.

SMASH THE OLD WESTERN MEDIA MYTHS! There was no Tiananmen Square "massacre".

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The "Tiananmen Square massacre" is constantly referred to. Why have I never seen film or video footage of a single death? The cameras were there, were they not?

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Tiananmen: The Massacre that Wasn’t
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There Was No "Tiananmen Square Massacre"
BY RICHARD ROTH

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[Gatekeeper]

If anyone should ever have doubts about the necessity of taking back control on June 4th. should take a look at this map showing how China would have looked if the students and their foreign backers have succeeded in their revolution.

Least we forget, foreign forces have tried many times to divide and rule China!

 

[AF-1]

Sadly for western hegemonists, that will never ever happen
Nothing can stop China to become #1 in the world soon, in everything, and regain full control of Taivan province!!

 

[vincent]

I'm not sure how you can break the cycle. You can try increasing wages, as I mentioned earlier, but there's still a high risk that even if people lower down the ladder are reasonably satisfied, if they believe their managers and top bosses are corrupt they'll just carry on as normal.

when did the West manage to break the cycle?

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[windsclouds2030]

Going for gold: Russia to eliminate US dollar from sovereign wealth fund THIS MONTH amid warning of politics sabotaging currency (03 JUNE 2021)

Russia’s sovereign wealth fund will take a punt on gold and slash $40 billion of US currency entirely out of its investment portfolio amid growing tensions with Washington, the country’s finance minister announced on Thursday.

Anton Siluanov said that the National Wealth Fund would reduce its share of dollars to zero within the next month. Speaking as part of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, he said that the process would be “fast enough” and would mirror a similar move by the country’s central bank to reduce assets held in American currency.

Under the plans, the proportion of dollars in the fund will fall from 35% to zero, while assets held in euro and the Chinese yuan will increase to 40% and 30%, respectively. The share of the British pound will halve, from 10% to 5%, while the investment vehicle will buy into gold for the first time, with 20% of its assets to be hedged on the precious metal.

Speaking later on Thursday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov backed the decision, saying that “the de-dollarization process is constant. It is, in fact, now visible to the naked eye.” He added that the move away from financial dependence on Washington “is taking place not only in our country, but also in many countries around the world, which have begun to experience concerns about the reliability of the main reserve currency.”

In April, Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Pankin told journalists that political tensions between Washington and other nations were undermining faith in the currency overseas. The imposition of sanctions and an unpredictable economic policy, he argued, “call into question the reliability and convenience of using the American currency as the priority currency of deals.”

As a result, the minister said, countries are now being “forced to take measures against the risk of economic losses and disrupted transactions. Therefore, there is increasing interest in developing alternative mechanisms. Using other currencies in trade is becoming more and more important on the international agenda.”

Russia has championed a push away from the use of the dollar as the default global currency of trade and transactions. Last June, Sergey Naryshkin, the head of Moscow’s foreign intelligence service, the SVR, said that “it seems bewildering that the US continues to be the holder of the main reserve currency while behaving so aggressively and unpredictably.” He added that “the monopoly position of the dollar in international economic relations has become anachronistic. Gradually, the dollar is becoming toxic.”

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