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22. (C) Xi is a true "elitist" at heart, according to the professor, and believes that rule by a dedicated and committed Communist Party leadership is the key to enduring social stability and national strength, as in the (self-perceived) elite-dominated society of his youth, knit together by family ties, elders and male authority.

23. (C) Xi knows how very corrupt China is and is repulsed by the all-encompassing commercialization of Chinese society, with its attendant nouveau riche, official corruption, loss of values, dignity, and self-respect, and such "moral evils" as drugs and prostitution, the professor stated. The professor speculated that if Xi were to become the Party General Secretary, he would likely aggressively attempt to address these evils, perhaps at the expense of the new moneyed class.
 

vincent

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An old article from 1992. It demonstrated how the Chinese meritocracy works

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By Lena H. Sun
June 8, 1992

FUZHOU, CHINA -- Like many senior managers of China's growing cities, Xi Jinping likes to talk about the nuts and bolts of urban planning: a new airport, a superhighway, more drinking water for residents of this port city along the country's southern coast.

But more than some of his counterparts elsewhere, Xi, who is the Communist Party secretary here, may have a chance of accomplishing such projects because of the network of personal ties available to him as the son of one of China's important party elders.

At age 39, Xi is the top official running Fuzhou, the capital of Fujian Province, and several nearby counties -- an area whose population totals 5.4 million. While many Chinese say he has worked hard to reach his position, there is no doubt that his family background played an important role, Chinese sources said.

His father, Xi Zhongxun, 79, is vice chairman of the National People's Congress, the country's nominal parliament. He is reported to be in poor health but still influential.

Xi is one of a small group of children of top leaders that is widely expected to rise to greater political prominence. Now that senior leader Deng Xiaoping has called for bolder, market-oriented reform and the promotion of talented, younger cadres, officials like Xi are seen as being especially well-positioned to advance further. His experience and outlook provide some insight into this group of young officials often referred to by Chinese as the "princelings" because of their special status.

Tall even by Western standards, Xi dresses like many Chinese men of his generation: black leather jacket, sweater, shirt, and, in wintertime, standard-issue long underwear peeking out from under the cuffs. But as he chatted with a visitor in a private sitting room of a government-run guest house, he seemed considerably more at ease and confident than many Chinese cadres his age.

Settling his long frame comfortably in one of the blue fake-leather armchairs, he offered his guests tea, oranges, watermelon seeds and preserved fruit, a specialty of the south. He consulted no notes as he spewed out figures about the area's growth, investment, and plans to overtake its bustling neighbor to the south, the port city of Xiamen, formerly Amoy, where he was vice mayor. He answered questions about economics, politics and his personal background without hesitation. Several aides took notes. One took pictures.

Xi said China should keep its socialist system, but he repeatedly underscored the overriding importance of economic development, economic reform and the foreign cooperation needed to bring that about.

"We want foreign investment and we want to bring in advanced technology," he said. "We aren't picky about whether you are a large, medium or small company."

Referring to the growing economic interdependence of southern China, Hong Kong and Taiwan, he said, "This area has its own natural economic contacts that will accelerate development."

Because of the area's proximity to Taiwan, most foreign investment is coming from Taiwanese who trace their roots to Fujian -- and from Japanese. But Xi has set up a sister city relationship with Syracuse, N.Y., and is hoping to travel there this year to persuade American business to invest in his city.

Xi's father was a top leader in the northwest before being disgraced during the Cultural Revolution of 1966-76. All seven children were persecuted as well. One daughter died. The younger Xi recalled being locked up "three or four times" when he was 15 because of his father's crimes. Banished to Yenan, the revolutionary base of the party, he had to attend daily "struggle" sessions, where he often was forced to read out denunciations of his father.

"Even if you don't understand, you are forced to understand," he said with a trace of bitterness. "It makes you mature earlier."

For seven years, he worked as a farm laborer, an agricultural technician, tractor-trailer driver, and barefoot doctor. In what he described as an ironic twist, he was elected a local branch party secretary in his last two years.

Just before the Cultural Revolution ended, Xi was allowed to enter prestigious Qinghua University in Beijing, China's most prominent technological school, where he graduated in 1979, at 28, specializing in the petrochemical industry.

He was immediately given a plum assignment, working as the personal assistant to Geng Biao, a vice premier who also served briefly as defense minister. In 1982, Xi was sent to work at the local level, as a party secretary in a poor county in Hebei Province. Eventually he became the vice mayor of Xiamen, where he is credited with pushing that city's economic reform and open-door policies, before arriving in Fuzhou in the spring of 1990.

Xi said he has gotten where he is on his own ability and popularity. Asked about possible future promotions, he politely deferred to the needs of the party.

He pointed to an election in Xiamen a few years ago in which he received all but a handful of votes among several vice mayoral candidates in a secret ballot. "I don't think it's a trend that sons and daughters of the leadership cadres must be leaders, too," he said. "We should follow the procedures to promote cadres. . . . I haven't done a lot of research on this, nor do I have a lot of contacts {with others}. I just do my own work."
 

voyager1

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but until they clean out their own house (i.e. the Standing Committee, Politburo, families of top politicians, the princelings, etc)
True. The top political leadership seems to be immune to investigations and corruption busting. AFAIK from the Politburo have only gotten Zhou Yongkang who was like a walking corruption meme and thats only because he tried nasty stuff behind the CPC's back.


This is a serious issue. Nobody serious can tell.me that for so many years the Politburo was a shining beacon of justice and morality while it was these "bad low-level" officials who did all this corruption, yeah no way my dude. I am 100% that there were (are?..) corrupt people in the Politburo.

I would say however that IMO Xi seriously wants to jail these kinds of people but he is held back by the CPC. Remember, the CPC had to strike a deal to charge, Zhou Yongkang from the Politburo....

I think that Xi will try to push for digitized governance more. It will (already has?) start with low-level party members and then slowly go to higher and higher level party members


At the very least the government needs to significantly increase public-sector wages so that there's less "need" for people towards the bottom topping their wages up.
Agreed
 

Gatekeeper

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Of course it's not bigotry to point out the reality. But this is not what the post in question is doing. If we take another look at the original post and what it means.

Again, it's soft spoken, but the tone and underlying implications are quite clear. Translation:

The posted article is quite neutral in tone, yet, you just assumed that the Indian families don't mourn their dead, that dumping bodies into rivers is their natural inclination, and drinking cow piss and eating cow shit is widespread.

@Gatekeeper, I don't know you, but are you really Chinese? In my experience, Chinese people, at least those living in China, are not this racist.

Listen here. Boytoy. I'll say this and I'll say it once. If you have mental issues, that's your lookout. But please do not reinterpret what I said, and put words in my mouth. It's bad enough that it's in your head, but please don't bring it out into the open so everything can see how ugly your head is.

Now let's turn this on its head. And show how racisit you are. How stereotypical you are. You assumed I can't be Chinese because Chinese are not racists! That in itself is racisit. See I can play that game too.

Yes you don't kmow me, but you automatically assumed I'm some kind of racisit. Gee. That just show how big a bigot you really are!

I can't convince you I'm not a bigots, nor do I want too. It's your problem, not mine. So just let it rest and move on. Other members here don't have issue with my post, and that's all it matters. Mr boytoy! That's very offensive to gay people. See.
 
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voyager1

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The younger Xi recalled being locked up "three or four times" when he was 15 because of his father's crimes. Banished to Yenan, the revolutionary base of the party, he had to attend daily "struggle" sessions, where he often was forced to read out denunciations of his father.
"Even if you don't understand, you are forced to understand," he said with a trace of bitterness. "It makes you mature earlier."
Man wtf.. that is legit terrifying
 

emblem21

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Man wtf.. that is legit terrifying
This alone speaks volumes about the strength of Xu Jinping compared to all the western leaders current. Xi had to struggle and fight uphill while the opposite is true in regards to western leadership (such as Trump and Biden who are in must easlier situations then XI) ever was. The fact that west resorts to such slander while cutting about all the possitives speaks volumes about how weak the west has become and ultimately who will stand at the top when all is said and done
 

boytoy

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Now let's turn this on its head. And show how racisit you are. How stereotypical you are. You assumed I can't be Chinese because Chinese are not racists! That in itself is racisit. See I can play that game too.
So, you are not Chinese?

Yes you don't kmow me, but you automatically assumed I'm some kind of racisit. Gee. That just show how big a bigot you really are!

I can't convince you I'm not a bigots, nor do I want too. It's your problem, not mine. So just let it rest and move on. Other members here don't have issue with my post, and that's all it matters.
I did not "assume" anything. I made an educated deduction that you could be racist based it on what you posted. If you don't want to be interpreted as one, you should be very clear on what you are trying to convey instead of that soft spoken shit you posted. What exactly are you trying to say with a post like that then?

Mr boytoy! That's very offensive to gay people. See.
Why do you assume my forum alias has anything to do with gay people? If you must know, it's amusing to think about how all military hardware are essentially boy toys, thus the name for a defense forum.

But then again, your assumptions say more about who you are. This is one thing we can agree on.
 

gelgoog

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Hu was humble and kept a low-profile but was determined when it is necessary - his handling of Tibetan riots in 1989 won him high marks among party leaders, showing his toughness. Hu was more tolerant and could work with others, and thus was considered to be a good leader with collective leadership style, which was considered the right leadership model for China at the time. His unassuming leadership style certainly had its pluses and minuses for the China during his time - just think what if Hu started South China Sea island building and Belt-and-Road initiative, which might please many Chinese nationalists and patriots no end nowadays, but would have proved totally premature and counter-productive. The US elites' hatred towrads Xi compared to Hu is NOT a proof that Hu was a weak and bad leader for China at the time. On the contrary, it had shown that Hu's leadership style and strategy, his "harmonious society" brand of preaching had navigated and bought time for China through a critical stage of China-rise. Also, contrary to some myth, Hu-Wen administration was not a doing-nothing-therefore-screwed-up-nothing one, they accomplished a great deal! I don't need to list them here, but those old enough should remember.

Projects can take a long time to be hashed out. The Type 052D destroyers and the J-20 fighter for example are clearly from Hu's time.
You can say that all the foundations for the huge buildup we saw in China's Navy and Air Force were made in his time.
The handling of the 2008 financial crisis was also superb I think. Redirecting society for mass projects like the metro construction binge.
These projects enable the movement of masses of people in the major cities without oil making the country more energy efficient.
Also increase productivity overall by making transportation quicker in city cores.

Xi is ambitious and audacious. He might be considered thin-skinned and obsessed with control. To be fair, this might have to do with him lacking the status and power base that Deng had. In order to accomplish what he deemed necessary, he had to be careful and play politics to accumulate and consolidate power. Xi is a man of mission and vision. He wielded power with certain swagger and ruthlessness shortly after taking supreme power, quite unlike his predecessor's humility and cautiousness. This is partly due to his conviction, but more to his upbringing as a first-generation princeling, who may feel to claim certain ownership to the legacy of the People's Republic, unlike the professional managers such as Jiang and Hu that were brought in as care-takers, so to speak.

Different times require different leaders and leadership styles. A leader that is right for a certain time period might not be the right leader in a different age. Even the same leader that was great for one era, might prove to be quite a disaster in a different era. Think of Mao.

I think Xi's anti-corruption campaign was necessary but I fear he isn't as good a technological leader and that China's technological leadership seems to be somewhat impaired. It also looks to me like the anti-corruption campaign has led to technological delays in some sectors. You might say without his anti-corruption and poverty alleviation policies China might have recessed into social chaos and I think this is correct. He seems to mostly focus on the social aspect, which was necessary, but he needs to get the scientific and technical priorities correctly.

The focus on AI research and obliviousness towards the semiconductor manufacturing sector is just one aspect of this. I can't say other countries haven't fallen into the same problem, Russia fell into this too and it basically delayed their naval construction for a decade. They believed into the lie they could use the market economy for national purposes once they got into the WTO.

Like I said here more than once, China could have invaded Taiwan and South Korea simultaneously and basically killed world semiconductor production for probably 5 years. Instead the US used its own industrial sector and policies as a bludgeon against China. Now China has to solve that problem. Given that Japan managed to create its own tools and materials sector there is no reason why China shouldn't be able to do it as well but I don't think I am seeing enough movement from the Chinese industrial and government side to make it happen. China did manage to preempt the US Malacca Strait strategy with the Belt and Road initiative and the Chinese Naval ramp up. So there is that.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
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So, you are not Chinese?


I did not "assume" anything. I made an educated deduction that you could be racist based it on what you posted. If you don't want to be interpreted as one, you should be very clear on what you are trying to convey instead of that soft spoken shit you posted. What exactly are you trying to say with a post like that then?


Why do you assume my forum alias has anything to do with gay people? If you must know, it's amusing to think about how all military hardware are essentially boy toys, thus the name for a defense forum.

But then again, your assumptions say more about who you are. This is one thing we can agree on.

Ok. I'll entertain you one more time. This is only because you must be new here. Or you have never pay any attention of members posting here. So I assumed you are only here to troll.

Despite me having posted nearly 5,000 post. Many of them with Chinese. And if you even bothered to read just a fraction of my post. You'll know what my nationality is.

So your "educated guess" is not assumption? Some education you had there. I'll request a refund if I was you. So your "educated guess" has correctly identify I cant be chinese, because Chinese can't be that "racisit"! Lol

With regarding to your name. If I take offence to your name that is my right. Just as you took offence to my post. But I don't rewrite your post and calling people racist and made "educated guess" on others being a bigot. When you need to look into your mirror first.

I've been a member here longer than you. I've posted nearly 5,000 post. Whereas you been here less than a year, with less than 100 posts. During this time, I've not ever been called a bigot. Where as you have already been called out by me, a senior member here as a racist bigot by your stereotypical views and wild "educated guess" that I can't possibly be Chinese because no Chinese can be that racist.

I'll not waste any more time with you. Because as I said earlier. The issues is your head, and as such it is your problem to solve.

Have a good day.
 
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