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boytoy

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You should have directed your concerns and comments to @Gatekeeper privately to clarify what he meant by his post that you found offensive or disturbing, at least that way you could have given the person a fair hearing and make a more educated deduction about the intent of his message. Instead you chose to make an inference, a value judgment call that what he posted was tantamount to the person being racist which is one of the most serious charge one can make against anyone. Your concern maybe well intentioned but the result of your effort isn't panning out productively nor is it achieving the desired outcome or results you're perhaps hoping for to begin with.
I tried to be polite and give him a way out. But let's not pretend that his original post could be interpreted as anything but racist. You can give it a try how would you interpret it in a non-racist way?

Private message me. As we've been asked to stop this discussion publicly.
 

AndrewS

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True. The top political leadership seems to be immune to investigations and corruption busting. AFAIK from the Politburo have only gotten Zhou Yongkang who was like a walking corruption meme and thats only because he tried nasty stuff behind the CPC's back.


This is a serious issue. Nobody serious can tell.me that for so many years the Politburo was a shining beacon of justice and morality while it was these "bad low-level" officials who did all this corruption, yeah no way my dude. I am 100% that there were (are?..) corrupt people in the Politburo.

I would say however that IMO Xi seriously wants to jail these kinds of people but he is held back by the CPC. Remember, the CPC had to strike a deal to charge, Zhou Yongkang from the Politburo....

My understanding is that a line was drawn on past misdeeds, as long as future conduct is clean.

It was and is only pragmatic path available, unless you want to jail most of the Communist party officials in power. That would be hugely destabilising
 

plawolf

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This is a serious issue. Nobody serious can tell.me that for so many years the Politburo was a shining beacon of justice and morality while it was these "bad low-level" officials who did all this corruption,yeah no way my dude. I am 100% that there were (are?..) corrupt people in the Politburo.

I would say however that IMO Xi seriously wants to jail these kinds of people but he is held back by the CPC. Remember, the CPC had to strike a deal to charge, Zhou Yongkang from the Politburo....

I think that Xi will try to push for digitized governance more. It will (already has?) start with low-level party members and then slowly go to higher and higher level party members



Agreed
And how many former US presidents, Vice Presidents, speakers of congress/senators have ever gone to prison? Nobody can seriously tell me that for so many years they were all a shining beacon of justice and morality while it was these "bad low-level" officials who did all this corruption. :rolleyes:

Sure, not every politburo member who ever lived are living saints, but then you would have to be an idiot living in a fantasy world to think living saints would make good national leaders.

When Chinese officials engage in corruption, at most they take a rounding error off of budgets for themselves but the project still get delivered on time and within budget. When western officials engage in corruption, project budgets can multiply by ten times, be decades late and deliver absolutely sub standard outcomes, if they don’t outright fail. Why is corruption only a big deal for China again?
 

windsclouds2030

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The Myth of Tiananmen

Every June 4th Tiananmen incident still evokes an annual wave of harsh condemnations in the news and opinion pages of US leading national newspapers. This short article by journalist Jay Matthews entitled “The Myth of Tiananmen” completely upended that apparent reality.

The infamous massacre had likely never happened, but was merely a media artifact produced by confused Western reporters and dishonest propaganda, a mistaken belief that had quickly become embedded in our standard media storyline, endlessly repeated by so many ignorant journalists that they all eventually believed it to be true.

Jay Mathews is a reporter for The Washington Post. He was the paper’s first Beijing bureau chief and returned in 1989 to help cover the Tiananmen demonstrations. With his wife, Linda Mathews, he is the author of One Billion: A China Chronicle. This piece originally ran in the September/October 1998 issue of the Columbia Journalism Review.

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windsclouds2030

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And how many former US presidents, Vice Presidents, speakers of congress/senators have ever gone to prison? Nobody can seriously tell me that for so many years they were all a shining beacon of justice and morality while it was these "bad low-level" officials who did all this corruption. :rolleyes:

Sure, not every politburo member who ever lived are living saints, but then you would have to be an idiot living in a fantasy world to think living saints would make good national leaders.

When Chinese officials engage in corruption, at most they take a rounding error off of budgets for themselves but the project still get delivered on time and within budget. When western officials engage in corruption, project budgets can multiply by ten times, be decades late and deliver absolutely sub standard outcomes, if they don’t outright fail. Why is corruption only a big deal for China again?
I heard these unproven accusations often even in real life ad nauseam! Many folks simply take simple conclusion that because corruption is so rampant in ruling political elites in many countries, east to west, north to south, that the same thing will also happen in China, and multiple times worse because it is an "undemocratic" nation, having no "free press" (most media is state-owned one) and bla bla...

The very simple reality is, if true the corruption in China is unchecked, happens pervasively and in substantial form, can China develop itself to the current shape?? To say that no corruption happens altogether is not realistic either, we live in human world, not the Celestial Kingdom. But what I can be quite sure is the top leaders in CPC have willingness to rein in the corruption and to eradicate such harmful practice... as you said, if there's any such practice, it does not collapse the project/program, a rounding error cut, not something infamous "10 percent". If the paramount guy is clean -- and Xi Jinping is well-known as a clean guy, even in the eyes of the US diplomats investigating his background from the Wikileaks share that I once read many years ago, Xi is not a person who seeks personal material gains, but he's a man of ambitions and ideals to pursue -- then I must believe that the system is clean, if there is any tainted spot, it is not significant! Well, in this imperfect human world, a leader like Xi Jinping is among the very best a nation may have -- I simply can't complain at all! My highest praise indeed

Well, to build for 1,439,000,000 people to this level from the ground zero within the approximately 70 years is of no precedence in mankind history -- Chinese people must be grateful and be very proud and should not keep on criticizing the Communist Party of China and its leaders. Just look at other countries. The great blunder of Chinese civilization was that it "allowed" itself to fall into the abyss as deep as the Marianna Trench being so low that it nearly became annihilated to the nonexistence level... being at such low all were tears and sufferings that still affect today's life and all the hardships it's still facing....
 
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windsclouds2030

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Sorry if already posted, this piece is too cool, better redundant than being missed out!

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U.S. empire of hacking stirs up wrath in Europe, concerns of int'l community

Xinhua | 03 JUNE 2021

-- In recent years, various surveillance projects implemented by the United States have been exposed one after the other, and most of them are carried out by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), in addition to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

-- The shocking revelations have then ignited worries across the world that the powerful U.S. surveillance network, if unconstrained, would possibly pose serious threats to global citizens' privacy and personal freedom.

-- Such waves of U.S. spying, even on its own allies, have not only outraged people across the world, but also sparked widespread concerns in the international community as to what extent the United States has built its empire of hacking and wiretapping and how it could ensnare Europe.


BEIJING, June 3 (Xinhua) -- Big Brother is watching Europe and has been for years, and those prying eyes have haunted the continent's relationship with the United States.

Recent reports of U.S. spying on European politicians including German Chancellor Angela Merkel from 2012 to 2014 with the help of Danish intelligence have provided yet more evidence of America's pervasive and ubiquitous monitoring of the world.

NSA & CIA

The allegations of spying come as Danish broadcaster DR reported on Sunday that the Danish Defense Intelligence Service had given the NSA open internet access to spy on senior politicians of neighboring countries, including Merkel.

The NSA has purposefully obtained data and thus been able to clandestinely spy on targeted heads of state, as well as neighboring Scandinavian leaders, top politicians, and high-ranking officials in Germany, Sweden, Norway, and France from 2012 to 2014, according to DR.

Denmark's Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen on Wednesday declined to comment on the media report, saying that there should be no systematic monitoring of allies, echoing an earlier statement by the country's defense minister.

"I don't think it is correctly stated that there is a need to restore relations with France or Germany. We have an ongoing dialogue, and we have it in the intelligence field," she told local media Ritzau.

It seems like deja vu all over again for both the NSA and Merkel.

In 2013, former NSA contractor Edward Snowden revealed that the NSA was listening in on German government phone lines, including Merkel's.

In addition to the NSA, the United States has the CIA, another major intelligence agency in the country capable of exploiting vulnerabilities in mobile phones, computers and smart TVs.


In 2017, WikiLeaks published what it described as the "biggest ever leak of secret CIA documents" detailing the tools it uses to break into phones, communication apps and other electronic devices.

According to the documents, the CIA attack team did the following: hacked network routers; hacked smart TVs and fake-shut them down to eavesdrop; hacked smart vehicle control systems to perform assassinations; developed attack tools against Apple phones and Google Android systems; and intruded on operating systems such as Microsoft Windows, Apple OS X and Linux.

ANGRY & WORRIED EUROPE


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Nutrient

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CIA really works wonders man. Most impressive US agency by far
"We lied, we cheated, we stole" -- Mike Pompeo, former CIA chief.
I wouldn't call the CIA "impressive".
If I had to describe the organization with a single adjective, I would choose "disgusting".


China should try and learn some tricks from it. They have the world on the palm of their hand.
IMHO China should not emulate the CIA's underhanded tactics. Much of China's current soft power is based on the country's honor and its credibility. That is why most of the world (something like 130 of 195 countries) has joined the BRI. Why throw that away?

I think your admiration of the Agency's dirty tactics says much about you.
 

paullee

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"We lied, we cheated, we stole" -- Mike Pompeo, former CIA chief.
I wouldn't call the CIA "impressive".
If I had to describe the organization with a single adjective, I would choose "disgusting".



IMHO China should not emulate the CIA's underhanded tactics. Much of China's current soft power is based on the country's honor and its credibility. That is why most of the world (something like 130 of 195 countries) has joined the BRI. Why throw that away?

I think your admiration of the Agency's dirty tactics says much about you.
America didnt become world superpower by chance... and it wasnt because of innate smarts or hard work either...

In the real world cheaters often win out, not the hard working "win win" types...

Its easier to destroy than to build... China is a builder but now that China surpassed US in GDP PPP and world trade, its in US best interest to "scorth earth" and burn it all down to infect max carnage to China....

China needs to get rid of self imposed handicaps like NFU policy and noninterventiomalism etc and fight fire with fire, fight sabotage with the same, etc... to impose a cost to these anglos so they dont keep getting to trip up China with impunity
 
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