Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Phead128]

If

So it hasn't happen yet. We are in the world of theoreticals.

the LL theory is taken seriously by large enough chunks of Western academia

Any theory that is taken seriously by large enough audience is credible. That's the natural progeny and evolution of all theories, what is your point?

then that is enough since they have the majority of the credibility.

No shit Sherlock, that's the natural evolution of all theories, they have to have a critical mass of supporters to be credible. What is your point?

The key is whether there is sufficient evidence to prove it, not whether "If" it has critical mass, will it taken seriously. You have not demonstrated that Western academics accepted any evidence for it aside from not dismissing it as a possibility.

Now to put it all together:

If the LL theory is taken seriously by large enough chunks of Western academia then that is enough since they have the majority of the credibility.

Translation: So far, zero peer-reviewed Western academic journals have authoritatively and conclusively stated it's authenticity or published any evidence therewithin, BUT IF and When, then a critical mass will take it seriously.

No shit sherlock. You are missing the piece of the puzzle which is the evidence bro. Innocent until proven guilty. Only GQP-drunk alt-right presuming guilt isn't enough to get global community to isolate China.

 

[HybridHypothesis]

No shit sherlock. You are missing the piece of the puzzle which is the evidence bro. Innocent until proven guilty. Only GQP-drunk alt-right presuming guilt isn't enough to get global community to isolate China.

"alt right" are you even paying attention to the situation? This is being promoted by BOTH left and right in America. From Jimmy Dore to David Frum.

The evidence will come now that it is no longer politically incorrect to promote the lab theory. Now the other side of the debate has their chance to make the case.

Also why its imperative to find the intermediate host for China since its the only thing that will prove its case.

 

[Phead128]

"alt right" are you even paying attention to the situation? This is being promoted by BOTH left and right in America. From Jimmy Dore to David Frum.

They are saying that it's a possible explanation among many other explanations. It's all still speculation with flimsy circumstantial evidence.

The evidence will come now that it is no longer politically incorrect to promote the lab theory.

The evidence from Wuhan lab? I thought China denied access to the critical areas. So without direct access to the Wuhan lab, where would this evidence come from? Scientists already said the phenotype and biomolecular structure is consistent with evolutions of coronaviruses such as SARs-Cov-1 and other coronaviruses, so you won't be able to reverse engineer a virus to see if is engineered.

The evidence will come now that it is no longer politically incorrect to promote the lab theory.

That's what I am worried about. Anti-Asian hate will likely rise if there is an open-ended pie-in-the-sky "he-said, she-said" situation that remains floating around with no conclusive evidence. It's left up to wild imagination at this point. And without rapid follow-up and conclusion, conspiracy theorists will continue to invent and lie about it.

Now the other side of the debate has their chance to make the case.

China already made it's case. It said it's not from a lab, it's possibly other explanation among many other explanations. Even China's explanation is still speculation too. Nobody really knows.

Also why its imperative to find the intermediate host for China since its the only thing that will prove its case.

Do you know in U.S. law, if the accuser cannot provide evidence, then the case is dismissed?

If this case was fought in U.S. courts right now, this case would be dismissed for lack of evidence. It's not up to the victim/accused to prove their innocence, the burden of proof is on the accuser to prove beyound a reasonable doubt that China is guilty.

China doesn't even need to prove anything. It can just deny it. If US has zero evidence, then the case is dismissed in U.S. court of law. Simple as that.

 

[HybridHypothesis]

They are saying that it's a possible explanation among many other explanations. It's all still speculation with flimsy circumstantial evidence.


The evidence from Wuhan lab? I thought China denied access to the critical areas. So without direct access to the Wuhan lab, where would this evidence come from?

How do you not understand that everyone sees through this cheap trick lol. "Yes, nothing happened here, but we wont let you inside to check. You will just have to take our word for it."

 

[HybridHypothesis]

 

[SteelBird]

I watched Taiwan news a moment ago and they are scolding their government "认知作战"

 

[daifo]

As much as possible, I try to be a stickler for factual accuracy. That is why I need to correct your "facts".

No, it does not take 15 years to ascertain that civet cats carried the Sars1 virus. Sars1 spread into the world from China in 2003. Already in 2003, researchers have found out that civet cats carried the virus.

And Ebola virus is found in bats , initially spread to humans through contact with droppings or perhaps partially eaten fruits

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I heard it from Anthony Fauci's mouth though.. further google fu reveals that it was many years before the civet cat + bat connection were found. The CDC website suspect ebola may have come from bats and may have transmit via monkey

 

[HybridHypothesis]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399794110580547584

 

[zbb]

Out of the 6 pathogenic coronavirus, only 2 have clear origins. It may take decades to find the intermediate host if we are unlucky.

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While scientists have fairly good evidence for how two coronaviruses — the cause of SARS and MERS — jumped from bats to humans, the origins of the other four coronaviruses that infect humans remain a mystery.

We know that various coronaviruses are responsible for ~20% of the common cold. Are the "other four coronaviruses" referring to these common cold causing coronaviruses?

 

[siegecrossbow]

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