Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[voyager1]

To be sure, every Chinese leader since Deng had faced their own 'COVID 19' moment. For Jiang Zemin it was the Asian Financial Crisis, the 1998 Floods which, coincidentally, also almost completely destroyed Wuhan (this is one of the reasons why Dr Zhong Nanshan said early in the pandemic that Wuhan is a city of heroes), the 1999 US boming of Chinese embassy in Belgrade, the 2001 collision with US EP3 plane over the SCS.

For Hu Jintao, there was the SARS outbreak of 2003, the 2008 GFC and Sichuan Earthquake and the 2009 Xinjiang Riots.

It is not a coincidence that Chinese leaders can rise to the challenge when the time comes, and lead the country out of crises more resilient than before and stronger than before.

IMO Xi "challenges" were the SCS, Trade War, Covid-19, and now the Tech war and breaking through the hostile US actions.

IMO if Xi manages to pass the US geopolitical issue then he would have the same status as Mao, and if he also get Taiwan he might even surpass him

 

[Temstar]

IMO Xi "challenges" were the SCS, Trade War, Covid-19, and now the Tech war and breaking through the hostile US actions.

IMO if Xi manages to pass the US geopolitical issue then he would have the same status as Mao, and if he also get Taiwan he might even surpass him

If Xi liberates Taiwan and particularly if he defeats the US in a naval battle in the process he would have gained a 4th spot among the greatest ruler of China of all time. The other three are:

Qing Shihuang - for first unification of China and creation of 2000 year long dynastical system
Han Wudi - for defeating and complete destruction of Xiongnu as a power, via cavalry battle no less (a Xiongnu speciality being steppe nomads)
Mao Zedong - for most recent unification of China, against overwhelming odds and establishing a completely new political system

If Xi defeats the US in a naval battle (an Anglo-Saxon speciality, being descended from pirates) then it will mean he has equal the achievement of Han Wudi.

 

[ansy1968]

While all of the above is true, covid is the first time we are seeing a direct comparison between China and so-called developed nations.

@solarz So true Sir, and by demonizing him, they want to make him a lesser man. some Western analyst said that he is a Maoist and deviated from Deng's teaching of" hide our capacities and bide our time". I'll rebuke that by saying that he followed one of Deng's core dictum which is "To Keep a cool head and maintain a low profile. Never take the lead - but aim to do something big." That quote Sir is a definition of a strong leader and that is inherent in every CPC leadership.

 

[Temstar]

@solarz So true Sir, and by demonizing him, they want to make him a lesser man. some Western analyst said that he is a Maoist and deviated from Deng's teaching of" hide our capacities and bide our time". I'll rebuke that by saying that he followed one of Deng's core dictum which is "To Keep a cool head and maintain a low profile. Never take the lead - but aim to do something big." That quote Sir is a definition of a strong leader and that is inherit in every CPC leadership.

Specifically Deng actually said:
韬光养晦 有所作为
"hide our capacities and bide our time, but when the time is right do something big with our strength"

Xi correctly judged that now is the time of "百年未有之大变局", or "A time of change unseen in a century". And since China's strength is now plenty apparent to everyone hiding capacity is no longer possible, thus begins the second phrase of Deng's famous saying.

 

[Temstar]

Getting back on thread topic

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It's getting surreal in India.

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

Now that bide our time is over, can we all uncork our massive weiners? We got an aircraft carrier dick measuring contest to win here.

 

[zbb]

This was known since last year, but no one had the balls to report the truth while the biolab conspiracy BS was still the narrative.


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As one of the comments at the bottom of the article mentions, the article was updated some time after its publication last year. The comment is copied below.

They actually made a significant change to this abstract. If you use the wayback time-machine, you'll find out that the section was added today or last night:

The researchers should be more transparent as to why they decided to alter the abstract in such a massive way. The implications of the virus originations shift dramatically here.

It went from originally: "mutated versions of 'A' were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia. -> to -> "Versions of ‘A’ were seen in Chinese individuals, and Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and mutated versions of ‘A’ were found in patients from the USA and Australia."

This can be verified in the wayback time machine. I have archived the documents for my safekeeping in case for some reason the wayback time machine also happens to make "changes".....

 

[supersnoop]

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So desperate to push the "Can't trust the Chinese government angle!"
Going as far as to quote a 16 year old! You can't drink, but certainly you are qualified to make a statement on the safety of vaccines!

The "Conspiratorial Readings" part is nailing it though.
The HK Media and the way people read the media is described perfectly.

The hesitancy is mainly due to the lack of local transmission in the face of relatively relaxed restrictions (Indoor dining never stopped). In my opinion they are enjoying a "Halo effect" from China.

Incidentally the Hospital Authorities unions insisting it was mainland Chinese early on, it goes in line with the radicalization of these workers. Also explains the quote at the end.

Anecdotally, from friends and family, most outbreaks are seen as being caused by "outsiders", Americans, British (or returnees from these places), and now Indians.

 

[Xizor]

COVID-19 in Bihar: Horror in Chausa Town As Dead Bodies Wash Up on Banks of Gang​

According to preliminary reports, the number of dead bodies range from anywhere between 40 to 150 and are believed to have been dumped into the river in Uttar Pradesh.

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[Quickie]

To be sure, every Chinese leader since Deng had faced their own 'COVID 19' moment. For Jiang Zemin it was the Asian Financial Crisis, the 1998 Floods which, coincidentally, also almost completely destroyed Wuhan (this is one of the reasons why Dr Zhong Nanshan said early in the pandemic that Wuhan is a city of heroes), the 1999 US boming of Chinese embassy in Belgrade, the 2001 collision with US EP3 plane over the SCS.

For Hu Jintao, there was the SARS outbreak of 2003, the 2008 GFC and Sichuan Earthquake and the 2009 Xinjiang Riots.

It is not a coincidence that Chinese leaders can rise to the challenge when the time comes, and lead the country out of crises more resilient than before and stronger than before.

The crisis China previously faced is quite different from the pandemic China was facing last year in the way how some countries not only did not offer any help but instead come charging in to stab her in the back with the worst kind of scapegoating, in addition to calls for boycotting China as the world's manufacturing base.

The attacks have seemed so methodical and interconnected, one has to wonder the crisis was all preplanned including the outbreak of the pandemic itself.