China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

siegecrossbow

General
Staff member
Super Moderator
To be fair to Astra, the way you said it did sound like Blitzo and Deino directly helped Battle Order. If person A were to get info from person B, one would typically assume that person A got it from person B directly rather than indirectly.
Fair point. I’ll make sure that I add plenty of disclaimers and clarifications to my posts from now on so lurkers can understand everything and won’t spew BS on other message boards.
 

daifo

Captain
Registered Member
Do you guys think it has to do with things like this? It seems really specific to me.

I watched a few of his china related videos, they seem more like he got his info from watching cctv vids and random internet searches then making some guesses. On his video about pla marine, he claim that a stvol jet is coming soon for the type75 and showed a decade old fanpic.. so..... you get the idea.
 

KushigumoAkane

New Member
Registered Member
If you're talking this post, siege was joking

So either Astra missed it too or he's just deliberately misconstruing :D


Technically he did use the work of a member here as a source, though the work used was created before they made an account here...
Before watching the video: They used my diagram without giving me credit?!?!
After watching the video: They've seen my diagram but still managed to produced this, how is this possible...
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
I don't normally post breast beating article But this fair assessment from DIA(Defense intelligence agency) caught my eye
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DIA Says China’s Weapon Technology Advancing Fast While Russia Falls Behind​

April 30, 2021 | By
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China and Russia are the key adversaries when it comes to developing high-tech weaponry over the next 20 years, but while China’s rate of progress is accelerating, Russia is stymied by multiple factors, the defense Intelligence Agency told Congress.

DIA Director Lt. Gen. Scott D. Berrier said China will have “basically modernized” its military in just six years, and aims to be introducing the most “disruptive” military technologies by 2030-2035, according to prepared testimony for the Senate Armed Services Committee provided April 29.
During the next two decades, any of the three main powers—China, Russia, or the U.S.—may steal the lead “in one or more fields and seek to develop military capabilities and concepts to capitalize on perceived advantages,” Berrier said. Any one of the three could come up with new weapons or concepts that “will change the character of warfare.”

But China’s whole-of-government approach—which Berrier called “military-civil-fusion”—intentionally blurs the lines between civilian and military technology efforts, and its greater investment in these presents “the greatest threat to U.S. technological superiority.” In fact, Berrier said China has “already achieved peer or near-peer levels in many research areas” and has targeted 57 specific technologies in which to outpace and out-field the U.S. military.

Soon, China will “almost certainly be able to hold U.S. and allied forces at risk at far greater distances from the Chinese mainland,” the DIA said, while it enhances its power projection forces. By 2027, China expects to be able to win a small number of brief but high-level military conflicts—“including the forcible unification of Taiwan”—while deterring, dissuading, or defeating any third-party military intervention. By 2050, China plans to be the dominant world military power.
To underscore China’s advance, the DIA noted that China deployed its new J-20 stealth fighters to the border region with India during recent tensions between the two countries.
China did not slow its military modernization at all as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, the DIA said.(cont)
 

gelgoog

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China started from a much lower baseline to begin with. The talk that Russia is falling behind is relative. Look at MBTs for example. The Russians are ahead of everyone else. The T-90M is better than any NATO tank let alone T-14 Armata. Same deal with hypersonic missiles, military nuclear reactor technology, even the Su-57 is better on paper than any of the US stealth fighters. Russian helicopter development is stagnant, but so is US helicopter development with the rare exception like the CH-53K. Where the Russians seem to be failing is putting a lot of these systems into mass production. A lot of it is due to sanctions. Each country has its areas of excellence. So saying the Russians are falling behind, I think, is nonsense. They halted the decline and started modernizing their platforms like a decade and a half ago. The Russian Air Force is much more modern than it was 20 years ago. Russia just focuses its investments where it matters most like the nuclear deterrent, air defense, etc.
 

silentlurker

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China started from a much lower baseline to begin with. The talk that Russia is falling behind is relative. Look at MBTs for example. The Russians are ahead of everyone else. The T-90M is better than any NATO tank let alone T-14 Armata. Same deal with hypersonic missiles, military nuclear reactor technology, even the Su-57 is better on paper than any of the US stealth fighters. Russian helicopter development is stagnant, but so is US helicopter development with the rare exception like the CH-53K. Where the Russians seem to be failing is putting a lot of these systems into mass production. A lot of it is due to sanctions. Each country has its areas of excellence. So saying the Russians are falling behind, I think, is nonsense. They halted the decline and started modernizing their platforms like a decade and a half ago. The Russian Air Force is much more modern than it was 20 years ago. Russia just focuses its investments where it matters most like the nuclear deterrent, air defense, etc.
Well, the focus of the article is on military revolutions -

"Any one of the three could come up with new weapons or concepts that “will change the character of warfare.”

"China is highly advanced in quantum key distribution and is among the leaders” in artificial intelligence, high-performance computing, quantum information sciences, biotechnology, and advanced robotics."

Without getting into the logic of comparing prototype tanks and fighters to established models, I think we can agree that better tanks and fighters are incremental and not revolutionary improvements.
 
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