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[voyager1]

How do you deter these liars without embargo?

Look man, you are clearly deflecting the conversation. If for whatever reason, you cant critisize the Chinese Gov then no worries, I can do that for you.

If you dont have a strong military and you want to challenge the US then your investments abroad can go poof at any time.

The Navy is for Deterrence. Nobody breaks contracts with countries who have strong military presence.

I already posted a question on, why China made itself dependent on Iron supplies from a single US vassal?

And why China didn't invest more on the military when it started doing all these investments?

I wont respond again if you keep deflecting this conversation. If you cant say anything negative on the Gov then spare us your comments. If you cant understand why I am critising China for placing all its bets on a US vassal, then thats on you not on me

 

[KenC]

Look man, you are clearly deflecting the conversation. If for whatever reason, you cant critisize the Chinese Gov then no worries, I can do that for you.

If you dont have a strong military and you want to challenge the US then your investments abroad can go poof at any time.

The Navy is for Deterrence. Nobody breaks contracts with countries who have strong military presence.

I already posted a question on, why China made itself dependent on Iron supplies from a single US vassal?

And why China didn't invest more on the military when it started doing all these investments?

I wont respond again if you keep deflecting this conversation. If you cant say anything negative on the Gov then spare us your comments. If you cant understand why I am critising China for placing all its bets on a US vassal, then thats on you not on me

Rather incoherent statement from you to link Australian action with strong military power.
All I can say is that it takes two to tango, and if the Australian do not want Chinese investment, so be it. They can buy it back.
And China will not invest over there in the future. It will be a decoupling. And see who will suffer from economic meltdown in the future.

 

[Tyler]

Look man, you are clearly deflecting the conversation. If for whatever reason, you cant critisize the Chinese Gov then no worries, I can do that for you.

If you dont have a strong military and you want to challenge the US then your investments abroad can go poof at any time.

The Navy is for Deterrence. Nobody breaks contracts with countries who have strong military presence.

I already posted a question on, why China made itself dependent on Iron supplies from a single US vassal?

And why China didn't invest more on the military when it started doing all these investments?

I wont respond again if you keep deflecting this conversation. If you cant say anything negative on the Gov then spare us your comments. If you cant understand why I am critising China for placing all its bets on a US vassal, then thats on you not on me

The Chinese are already buying less Australian stuff like iron ore and wines. What the Chinese really need is semiconductors dominance and its own digitized bank transaction system. Now they can just kick Australia off the system and sanction them by not selling them semiconductors. This is what the US is doing for threatening other countries.

 

[voyager1]

Rather incoherent statement from you to link Australian action with strong military power.
All I can say is that it takes two to tango, and if the Australian do not want Chinese investment, so be it. They can buy it back.
And China will not invest over there in the future. It will be a decoupling. And see who will suffer from economic meltdown in the future.

Will they pay back?
Who says that China might want to be paid back now?
Maybe China prefers the port as it is now

Australia can break the MOU (?) it had with China on the BRI but this port deal was a Contract. China might want to continue operating, who is Australia to break this contract?

This is a major mistake from China that it cant enforce the contract obligations and protect its interests.

After Australia, more countries will follow if China wont push back hard this time

 

[Tyler]

Will they pay back?
Who says that China might want to be paid back now?
Maybe China prefers the port as it is now

Australia can break the MOU (?) it had with China on the BRI but this port deal was a Contract. China might want to continue operating, who is Australia to break this contract?

This is a major mistake from China that it cant enforce the contract obligations and protect its interests.

After Australia, more countries will follow if China wont push back hard this time

If China sends in the navy to enforce the contract like you said. The US will most likely criticize China and then send in the US navy as well.

 

[KenC]

Will they pay back?
Who says that China might want to be paid back now?
Maybe China prefers the port as it is now

Australia can break the MOU (?) it had with China on the BRI but this port deal was a Contract. China might want to continue operating, who is Australia to break this contract?

This is a major mistake from China that it cant enforce the contract obligations and protect its interests.

After Australia, more countries will follow if China wont push back hard this time

I can see that you are playing dumb here. What mistake that you are talking about ? China invest everywhere as it has go lots of US dollars, but Aussie want to decouple.

There will be setback, but there will also be repercussions as lines are drawn. If you proven to be unreliable and anti-China, you can say goodbye to any future Chinese investments and cooperation. In case of Australia, it means losing exports, tourism and education markets of world's biggest middle class. Do you really think that China should use military force to enforce a commercial contract?

 

[emblem21]

I can see that you are playing dumb here. What mistake that you are talking about ? China invest everywhere as it has go lots of US dollars, but Aussie want to decouple.

There will be setback, but there will also be repercussions as lines are drawn. If you proven to be unreliable and anti-China, you can say goodbye to any future Chinese investments and cooperation. In case of Australia, it means losing exports, tourism and education markets of world's biggest middle class. Do you really think that China should use military force to enforce a commercial contract?

All these actions is because of the perceived notion that the USA is in the position of strength and will back Australia no matter what the real situation is. To be honest, all this is because Australia is banking like Japan and India that the USA will have its back (despite the fact in reality that this is not the case given the whole America first doctrine). If the USA loses the dollar reserve status or if the USA is damaged enough by all the issues that Biden is trying to handle right now and is not really solving, despite the media painting the image other wise, then the world no matter how they want to, will ultimately follow China and Russia as the force of stability and in that situation, Australia will be forced to consider its future in the world since as of now every country can easily see Australia as a shameless Lackey as they have shown in the G20 in regards to it climate obligations that Scomo simply pretended to care about but don't really do much for because of the perceived notion that the USA has it back regardless.

Imagine the day that the USA is gone and many nations, whether China, Russia and every European will gladly use Australia as the scape goat and will use Australia as it whipping boy for all the atrocities in the middle east due to being a willing lapdog for the USA. Australia does have a potential of being a worthy partner of China but the main problem is the overwhelming amount of USA government officials in the Australian government pulling the strings and painting China as the devil. But should the USA lose its dominance in the coming decade and if the Anglo Saxons lose its privileges that they have abused for so long, then really Australia will be next on the chopping block and ultimately force Australia to confront the world without the USA's backing since this is what is truly holding Australia back. If people looks about the polls, most of the public don't like the government due to there uselessness but there are no better options due to the media protecting their ass and always directing the minds of the people elsewhere, but this is all going to change in the coming decade. After all there used to be a dedicated FLG near the place I live and have always been a very big voice but as of now and recently, these have all disappeared for good almost the more the truth does come out. I believe that things will solve itself with time but Australia is going to have to carve its own path without outside influences from the USA or the UK guiding them since both of those nations are on borrowed time no matter how much the media likes to paint things.

For China, time will eventually flow in the right direction but China should simply take its time to strengthen itself and not commit to anything to rash and simply put, just take its time to win its conflicts through letting time takes its course. As everyone can see, all those issues in the UK and the USA are the result of time catching up to them without China commuting any real kind of espionage and the like, thus I can see the same thing happening in Australia over time but as always, China should be vigilant and take its time to find opportunities to advance its goals in the long run. After all if anyone can think about it, by not confronting Japan for its crimes in WW2 when they were weaker, if China considers confronting Japan now, outside of US intervention, it will not be a matter of if but when China avenges itself of what happened in ww2 and crush Japan when its economy and the moral of their people are at its weakest it has ever been.

Sorry this reply is quite long

 

[Gatekeeper]

They know that Turkey can't really build a new axis with Russia China or Iran at the moment.

This has been coming for sometime. They have been threatening to use this genocide thing to stop Turkey from procuring their toys from Russia.

So they now have to carry out their threat otherwise they would look like paper tiger.

@plawolf

"The Armenian genocide recognition is doubly stupid because the Genocide Convention was only established in 1948, long after the events now being labelled as genocide occurred. The western MSM have a favour term for this - historical revisionism. But obviously that is only applicable when non-western nations do it.

Although it is also a hallmark of western ‘rule of law’ countries to shit on basic legal principles and apply new laws retrospectively, so I guess at least there is some consistency."

Yes, the genocide didn't start till 1948, and as far as I'm aware, I don't think anyone has done a retrospective on genocide.

So, they have opened a can of worms, and really shot themselves in the foot for the future. They are now open to attack by others to labelled the genocides committed by them (And by God they have been lots) in the past.

Not only that, now their one main vassal state AKA Japan is going to be weary that if they don't toll the line in the future, they will be labelled genocide all over Asia.

Ah hem ah hem Catalonia cough cough Northern Ireland

Cough. Quebec, Gibraltar, Belize. Cough so I go on?

 

[voyager1]

This has been coming for sometime. They have been threatening to use this genocide thing to stop Turkey from procuring their toys from Russia.

So they now have to carry out their threat otherwise they would look like paper tiger.

@plawolf

Yes, the genocide didn't start till 1948, and as far as I'm aware, I don't think anyone has done a retrospective on genocide.

So, they have opened a can of worms, and really scot themselves in the foot for the future. They are now open to attack by others to labelled the genocides committed by them (And by God they have been lots) in the past.

Not only that, now their one main vassal state AKA Japan is going to be weary that if they don't toll the line in the future, they will be labelled genocide all over Asia.



Cough. Quebec, Gibraltar, Belize. Cough so I go on?

Turkey has tremendous influence in the Middle East. They are regarded as the defenders of the Muslims.

This will blow in their faces. If Turkey starts an anti-US word campaign then the US is caput in the people living in Middle East

 

[ansy1968]

Turkey has tremendous influence in the Middle East. They are regarded as the defenders of the Muslims.

This will blow in their faces. If Turkey starts an anti-US word campaign then the US is caput in the people living in Middle East

@voyager1 bro withdrawal from NATO will be a good start and it will be a geopolitical game changer in that region, but of course the American will never allow that so if Edrogan is contemplating, He must prepare and ready to decouple his economy cause the US will used its dollar and influence to destroyed it.

And bro I may add one more, Edrogan is a masterful strategist, He know Turkey importance in that region and he is able to play around with Putin ,Merkle, Macron and Trump in his advantage. But in Biden how can you play with a senile person with Dementia!...LOL, that is the dilemma Edrogan is facing....LOL