Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

voyager1

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Once the world is sufficiently vaccinated to control covid, it would be a simple matter of requiring proof of vaccination and/or negative tests to be allowed into China.
I disagree that China would agree to do that. Anyway, we will "soon" find out in 3-4 months
 

j17wang

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Lmao dont you know about economics? China is a ~16 Trillion dollar country. Do you not understand that a day sooner that China manages to open up completely will save it multiple times of the vaccine cost?

Who cares about end of the year man? The US is going to open up its borders on around start of June, while China will have its own borders closed. The US will mop the floor versus China because it will have been open for at least 5 months earlier than China.

Go and congratulate all you want that China will cover its population at the end of the year. Meanwhile, the rest of the world will be fully open and vaccinated, generating foreign investments, tourism, business travel, more consumption because they trust that the virus is gone (China also has this problem)

You might think that China is the best and that it handled everything correctly but this is not true.

They were the best on Covid containment and average on vaccine production. Per capita vaccine production is obviously important here because China must vaccinate its people ASAP because it must compete economically with the US which has 4.5 times less population, and the EU which has 3(?) times less its population

Keep on believing the propaganda. Fact is, that the US will rocket past the rest of the world on growth(printing dollars will also help...) because it will be the first major economy to open its international borders and it will have increased domestic consumption. China meanwhile can wait till the end of the year, lmao. Keep waiting

You are completely wrong, and laughably so. China has already fully recovered economically, irrespective of whether or not the borders are closed.

Opening up borders results in outflows of hundreds of billions in Chinese tourism dollars into the world, since China is a tourism source, not a destination. FDI also does not require physical travel, which is why China attracted the most last year despite also being the hardest country in the world to get into. Its actually the case that as the world opens up, people will buy less goods and spend more money on hotels and flights, which will have some impact on chinese exports.

Not exactly sure why you think the "US will mop the floor". Remember Pfizers vaccine is 91% effective. Your chances of getting COVID are far greater in the US with the Pfizer vaccine than in China with either a Sinovac vaccine/Sinopharm/or even water injected into your veins. In fact, the US is going to accept that they will never eradicate the virus, since Pfizers vaccine will continuously degrade in effectiveness as COVID-19 evolves new mutations in a perfect breeding ground where the US has alot of vaccinated people but still high caseloads since it never drove its cases to zero.

Where do you get that the US will rocket past the rest of the world in growth? Its not like people are clamouring to go to the US right now (other destinations like Canada, Australia, Japan, Korea, Germany have become dramatically more attractive on a relative basis.) By your logic, if the US can print money, so can others so it wont be an actual advantage. In fact, China has "understimulated" relative to other economies since it didn't need it.

Also even assuming the US reaches herd immunity by June, they are not stupid to actually open the borders. They certainly don't want people from LATAM, ME, EU, SEA while they are ahead of the vaccination curve. Sure they might WANT to welcome people from SK, JP, or even TW, but none of those countries will extend reciprocity and allow travel from the US until it also drives to zero.
 

j17wang

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Are you sure that the product name is "Vero Cell", not name of the type? None of China made vaccine has that as their commercial product name. Besides, "Vero Cell" is a cull culture, a generic method for creating vaccines. Here is what "Vero Cell" is
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Basically, any inactivated vaccine can be called "vero cell" if it use this method. Does Nepal also received Indian made inactivated vaccine such as BBV152 which is the same kind of vaccines from SinoVac or SinoPharm.

The labels of Coronavac, BBIBP-Corv, and BBV152 all say "vero cell".

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The chinese vaccines arrived at end of march. There was approvals also given to India's BBV152, but I am not sure if it has arrived yet. Nepal started vaccinations using Indian produced astra-zeneca vaccine, which is not the "Vero Cell" vaccine mentioned.

Its 90% chance it was Sinopharm. Either way, both BBV152 and BBIBP-Corv are very good vaccines, so please get it ASAP if you can.
 

taxiya

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The labels of Coronavac, BBIBP-Corv, and BBV152 all say "vero cell".

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The chinese vaccines arrived at end of march. There was approvals also given to India's BBV152, but I am not sure if it has arrived yet. Nepal started vaccinations using Indian produced astra-zeneca vaccine, which is not the "Vero Cell" vaccine mentioned.

Its 90% chance it was Sinopharm. Either way, both BBV152 and BBIBP-Corv are very good vaccines, so please get it ASAP if you can.
Maybe this suggestion is not meant for me?

Anyways, you are right Sinopharm vaccines packaging does have "vero cell" in brackets. This is the example from Sinopharm Beijing institute. P.S. when I asked for "product name" I meant something like "CoronaVac" from SinoVac or "Covaxin" for BBV152 or Sputnik 5, apperantly Sinopharm does not have this practice.
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AndrewS

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Who cares about end of the year man? The US is going to open up its borders on around start of June, while China will have its own borders closed. The US will mop the floor versus China because it will have been open for at least 5 months earlier than China.

If the US completely opens up in June, then the USA will continue to import new variants which are more infectious and can escape existing vaccines.

And it may already be too late.

The Indian variant is the most concerning variant.
It is exploding across India and may be able to evade immunity from a previous infection or vaccination.

Daily new cases in the UK are going down, but the Indian variant is seeing explosive growth now
And the Indian variant is also now present in California.

So even if everyone is vaccinated in a country, it would be stupid to open up travel and allow new variants in.


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caudaceus

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If the US completely opens up in June, then the USA will continue to import new variants which are more infectious and can escape existing vaccines.

And it may already be too late.

The Indian variant is the most concerning variant.
It is exploding across India and may be able to evade immunity from a previous infection or vaccination.

Daily new cases in the UK are going down, but the Indian variant is seeing explosive growth now
And the Indian variant is also now present in California.

So even if everyone is vaccinated in a country, it would be stupid to open up travel and allow new variants in.


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Reading news from India and Brazil is beyond horrifying.
I found someone in Brazil infected by 2 variants at a same time. Who knows what mutation will result in future?

There's also a journalist in India who livetweet his deteriorating conditions while waiting for Ambulance. It never came and he ultimately passed away.

One more thing, the UP CM (Yogi Adityanath) is really something,
. He installs wall on cremation site to prevent people taking pictures, because it always blazing up. This is a guy who a few months ago put a content advertising on a global magazine (forgot which one) masqueraded as interview talking about COVID leadership. To think that this guy is a strong contender of Modi's successor.
 

NiuBiDaRen

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Figures are fudged in India. Govt is massively underreporting it for political reasons (there are major elections going on in crucial states right now so Modi doesnt want negative PR). The real figures are 3-4x the reported ones.

People are dying like dogs, crematoriums are melting, massive shortage of oxygen cylinders, essential drugs being hoarded ,
beds not available in various cities, even the national capital Delhi is facing shortage .COVID testing being refused by private clinics citing Govt orders. Delhi has a positivity rate of 25% (and its on the rise) which is mind boggling. Health Infrastructure has collapsed in various cities. All in all its a frickin mess.

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Yes but even though Indians are massively dying while Chinese are safe, India has a more successful campaign.

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AndrewS

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Reading news from India and Brazil is beyond horrifying.
I found someone in Brazil infected by 2 variants at a same time. Who knows what mutation will result in future?

There's also a journalist in India who livetweet his deteriorating conditions while waiting for Ambulance. It never came and he ultimately passed away.

One more thing, the UP CM (Yogi Adityanath) is really something,
. He installs wall on cremation site to prevent people taking pictures, because it always blazing up. This is a guy who a few months ago put a content advertising on a global magazine (forgot which one) masqueraded as interview talking about COVID leadership. To think that this guy is a strong contender of Modi's successor.

It's only going to get far worse in India.

The test positivity rate is sky high at 16.7% now. That indicates the real number of new infections is far undercounted and the testing system is breaking down.

So within 2 weeks, I expect the number of daily infections in India will be a minimum of 4x higher than today.

By that point, I also expect every single hospital in India to start turning away large numbers of people who should be admitted.

But even the lucky ones admitted to hospital won't have enough oxygen for all the patients.

I reckon Modi will be under intense political pressure in the next 2 months.
And another widespread strict lockdown in India will be on the cards.

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NiuBiDaRen

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It's only going to get far worse in India.

The test positivity rate is sky high at 16.7% now. That indicates the real number of new infections is far undercounted and the testing system is breaking down.

So within 2 weeks, I expect the number of daily infections in India will be a minimum of 4x higher than today.

By that point, I also expect every single hospital in India to start turning away large numbers of people who should be admitted.

But even the lucky ones admitted to hospital won't have enough oxygen for all the patients.

I reckon Modi will be under intense political pressure in the next 2 months.
And another widespread strict lockdown in India will be on the cards.

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And in the eyes of the media, India is on the road to winning. "Covid proves the resilience of the Indian people as they near superpower status" or something of the ilk.

If the Indian variant perpetuates the global pandemic, it will be China's fault again. Nothing India did was wrong. The farmers protests eventually had squashed coverage.

"Covid a good 'fighting' test for India as we head towards a 5 trillion economy in 2025 and release our third aircraft carrier in 2030".
 
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