Ladakh Flash Point

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manqiangrexue

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Man, talking to u is useless,
Absolutely. First you try to bolster India and insult China but when you couldn't defend India's failures and couldn't find evidence of Chinese incompetence, you relented and said that India is far below China. Then you came here asking for comic book recommendations and sources. It's totally useless.
first of all, you were the one who commented on my post saying Indian army is useless and showed many faults?
Correct and I did.
Then after I commented again. You told me to find negative articles about Chinese military where you assumed 'I was hoping I will find negative article on Chinese military, If any at all's .
You had once said that my English is poor. Look at what you just wrote.
I did what you said and then you narrated all that article as if I am a baby.
I actually read your articles and rebutted them as opposed to your casual response of, "I don't know what it says; I didn't write it."
Meanwhile, I kept saying I have nothing against China and I have even agreed that China is superior then India.


What's the point of all this?
You said all media is the same and accused Chinese media of lying on Taiwan so I pointed out that there were no lies there and absolutely no equivalence to the type of blatant lying in the Indian media. Other than this, there is no point. What are you here to do/say? Ask for comic books?
What is the point of this statement,
"No, Indians aren't worth it"

Is this really how you see was.

If its truly this, then I get it now. I get it.
Yeah, India represents its people. Before the Ladakh incident and even after the Doklam incident (where I gave India some benefit of the doubt), I thought that Indians were smart (judging by the students I see in the US) and that India would be a country to challenge China after China overcomes the US. However, from this episode and all the evidence collected together, I see how malicious, evil and incompetent, ridden with deep-seated issues India really is and it alleviated my worries that India can ever challenge China. And I don't use the word "evil" lightly. I see this world as every country vying for its own interests, but when Indians ambushed unarmed Chinese negotiators, smashed their fingers and slit their throats as they were incapacitated, that's evil. And when it came to light that it was planned and ordered, that cements the evil through the entire Indian chain of command, not just some hot-headed captain. The PLA responded with too much restraint leaving only 20 Indian casualties.

I would love to have a competent India realizing its potential at China's side fighting together with China to bring about the era of Asian dominance (militarily, technologically, economically, and finally politically); there are plenty of Western cronies to go around and India's certainly got its bone to pick there as well. But instead, India gets tricked by Mike Pompeo to trouble China in order to uphold a global order beneficial to the US and the British. I'm disappointed at India considering how smart I initially thought Indians were (from what I saw in America).

Maybe as a person, politics aside, you are not bad, but we are represented by our nationalities and you are, in fact, here posting without any reason or point, at least none that I can discern.
 
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twineedle

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Bold 1: Wrong

Indian politicians had previously stated that AKSAI chin would be reclaimed under them. They also strike when the situations were the best for them - Coronavirus in China, Trade war, Trump presidency etc.


Bold 2: Indian government had shifted the LAC back in some key regions. This gives them wriggle room domestically and deniability of change in ground. China continues to strengthen military presence in the region.


Refer previous posts.
And you don't think India isn't also increasing it's strength there? Google Earth just updated its imagery to last winter, you can see for yourself. Not to mention the strategic infrastructure India has built and secured last year.
 

Xizor

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And you don't think India isn't also increasing it's strength there? Google Earth just updated its imagery to last winter, you can see for yourself. Not to mention the strategic infrastructure India has built and secured last year.
Did I say India does not?
It is Indians who chest thump on news about how 10 km of roads were built or one or two bridges were built in what is their own controlled region.

Have you seen Chinese news media jumping around for Border infrastructure progress?

For China, Entire border villages appear like its magic and is focused on 1000 kms roads, Airstrips, railroads etc.
 

twineedle

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Did I say India does not?
It is Indians who chest thump on news about how 10 km of roads were built or bridges were built in what is their own regions.

Have you seen Chinese news media jumping around for Border infrastructure progress?

For China, Entire villages appear like its magic and is focused on 1000 kms roads, Airstrips, railroads etc.
That's one of the consequences of having a free media.

And all of those roads, airports, railroads China has built is also in its own territory. How is that relevant?
 
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Xizor

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That's one of the consequences of having a free media.
A consequence of free media is to highlight how 10 km road were built or one bridge was completed?
More like a sensationalist media focused on garnering political support, fostering jingoist attitudes and inflating even the smallest of progress into gargantuan accomplishments.


How is it relevant?

Because you keep saying this -
Not to mention the strategic infrastructure India has built and secured last year.

A very peculiar use of words but what China does in relative comparison diminishes whatever is signified by these words.
 
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twineedle

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A consequence of free media is to highlight how 10 km road were built or one bridge was completed?
More like a sensationalist media focused on garnering political support, fostering jingoist attitudes and inflating even the smallest of progress into gargantuan accomplishments.


How is it relevant?

Because you keep saying this -
Not to mention the strategic infrastructure India has built and secured last year.

A very peculiar use of words but what China does in relative comparison diminishes whatever is signified by these words.
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Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is undertaking a significant road and building infrastructure upgrade across Karakoram Pass.

Indian officials said what was a matter of serious concern was that China has built an alternative 8-10 metre wide road to Karakoram Pass that would shorten the distance to the strategic gateway into Daulet Beg Oldi sector by two hours.
 

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Hilarious that you tried to go out of your way to shit on the Chinese military and all you could muster was 4 completely unreliable Indian articles (or in one case a legit religious cult) on the one hand, or outdated examples on the other. Let's break this down ok @Grey_Lie ?

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I mean seriously, some Indian article about masturbation? As if any of us consider the Indian media reliable for anything other than producing some laughter at the state of Indian journalism or competency? Try again.

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A decade old article from the Washington Times, which by the way is owned by a Korean religious cult -
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- less reliable and honest than Fox News. None of that even matters considering how old this crap is. What, couldn't find anything newer, and from such a useless source no less?

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Oh look more Indian sources. Weird how Indians produce so many exclusives that world renown media companies are unable to reproduce or produce themselves. Do you think anyone takes these seriously?

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Finally, a source that isn't instantly laughable. Oh it's 18 years old. Enough said.

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Quite a bit more laughable than the NYT but certainly no Indian. Guess it's not too outdated, and the source, despite being garbage, is at least at the level where we can approach an analysis. So we'll give it a chance. Oh what, the entire article is just analyzing the Chinese being self-critical? That's it? Do you know how many thousands of articles anyone can produce about American government officials, in fact military staff themselves, being critical in such a way that makes the Chinese self-critique look like a compliment in comparison? I know self-criticalness is considered a weakness in India, but in smart and capable countries it's the way progress is achieved. Never being happy enough to rest on your own laurels.

Why is your most reliable and accurate source/insult that the Chinese are capable of being overly self-critical in an attempt to improve themselves? It is to laugh. Perchance a reflection of your own nations' insecurities about their own lack of capability, you find it comical when people are self-critical since it doesn't exist with your own people. Even if China was 20x the size and 100x the capability of the rest of Mankind or Aliens or the God of the Simulation, you will still see self-critical pieces about China (which presumably will be posted in fascination and laughter by Indians as proof of Chinese inferiority).

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More junk Indian sources that no one outside of India would ever cite or respect. Moving on...

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If there's anything that would get give us a comprehensive list it's Wikipedia. I was looking forward to having to write 5 pages about this source.... And yet to my surprise:

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One accident in 2003, another two rumored accidents in 2003, and one incident in 2011. So 3 accidents 18 years ago and one 10 years ago. Seriously why would you even post this as an example? Are you trying to make a mockery of your own point?
 

lgnxz

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No, Indians aren't worth it
Lol indian themselves don't consider indian lives as anything close to worthy. Many examples are shown already throughout history. Shooting your own helicopter during the pakistan border conflict? Or how you are routing yourself during the galwan clash, leaving your own soldier died due to hypothermia? Or if we speak generally, how accidents such as junk planes fell down and kill pilots that have happened often?

Please, take a close look at your own military, the stereotype isn't shaped without actual cases like those above lol
 

lgnxz

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Not to mention the strategic infrastructure India has built and secured last year.
Yet it still won't even close in closing the military gap between the two. Why even bother repeating this for months already, you know it, I know it, Your own government even know it. You deliberately trigger an infrastructure race against china in the border area.. get real already do you think china is seriously threatened by this? You're trying to challenge china, the best in the world at building infrastructures, and you somehow surprised that the infrastructure and military gap between us is getting wider and wider?

At this point China should really lowkey thank modi the same way trump is destroying his own country with short-sighted emotional decisions made for entertaining his own domestic political fanbase.
 
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