Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

[bettydice]

Theses countries have economies that are relatively easy for China to "uplift" since they mostly have problems which china has largely solved. Their use is more from being over-weighted on a military front, vs China, which is underweighted in military but over-weighted in economy. They help buy china time to preserve access to resources and providing ready consumer/industrial markets while at the same time China can buttress them by being a backstop against economic sanctions. The middle east element is most difficult because picking up Iran probably also involves the most trade-offs compared to turkey or pakistan. If at least a few of GCC states could remain neutral (i.e. Qatar or Dubai) it would help since picking up Iran will antagonize Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is under US influence and that's not going to change. Saudi Arabia is the biggest buyer of US weapons and has US military bases and the US is never going to give up Saudi Arabia. China shouldn't keep distance with Iran for the sake of Saudi Arabia.

I believe China should no longer just be indifferent to ouside world and choose a side and form an alliance with Iran, Syria, Iraq, Yemen etc in Middle East. Russia is helping Syria thwart the illegal US forces and China should too. China's neutral foreign policy loses potential allies of China and isolates China.

 

[ansy1968]

don't forget pakistan.

@styx with China , Iran and Russia Alliance, the TANS countries will fall in line and form a bloc, the BRI + EURASIAN ECONOMIC UNION will be the basis for economic integration while the SCO for security. It will be like EU without its cumbersome bureaucratic red tape.

And if you look at history as a guide, its like the rebirth of the Mongol empire.

 

[weig2000]

It's not in China's best interest to get into such an alliance right now. China is at least 10 -15 years away from leading such an alliance.

Unless, of course, the US is to go completely rogue and EU is totally in bed with the US.

 

[ansy1968]

Yes thats the way I see it. China-Russia-Pakistan-Turkey-Iran these are the main countries.
However if China wants a full strategic competition then I wouldn't count on these countries too much on the economic front.

These countries all have poot financial management and are full of corruption (only exception is Pakistan which is currently improving)

China needs strong,.independent countries, not welfare states dragging it down in the mud.
Plus its good to not completely antagonise the rest of the Middle East countries. Saudi Arabia already laid Aramco (oil company) to serve China's energy needs, and Israel is a very innovative country which China benefits from working with it. Man Middle East is so complex its better for China to stay out of openly supporting one country over another

@voyager1 Turkey is a problem, aside from being a NATO member she want to recreate an Ottoman caliphate that include the Russian and Iran sphere of influence. Let the West handle her instead of letting in a potential troublemaker.

 

[ansy1968]

It's not in China's best interest to get into such an alliance right now. China is at least 10 -15 years away from leading such an alliance.

Unless, of course, the US is to go completely rogue and EU is totally in bed with the US.

@weig2000 bro agree with you, but I think they're focusing on the economic and political aspect which is in need of consolidation, they already had the security framework under the SCO.

 

[weig2000]

@weig2000 bro agree with you, but I think they're focusing on the economic and political aspect which is in need of consolidation, they already had the security framework under the SCO.

Yes, economic development and partnership are the way to go, not security alliance. China has been advancing the programs and institutions over the last decade; they can become more integrated and better institutionalized.

In short, economic development and partnership are non-threatening and inclusive; they're better instruments to deal with a US desperate to holding its fading hegemony.

 

[Phead128]

Do you want to know why Biden is theatrics and tough rhetoric only aimed at domestic audience?

Only two Chinese officials sanctioned over Uyghur issue. Two.

Trump did FAR more over Xinjiang and HK.

Goes to prove that Biden is doing an illusion of tough guy policy on China to appease the Republicans in a show of bipartisanship...but once Biden realizes Republicans won't be convinced and will never be satisfied with Biden actions, the sooner he can drop hisbl tough guy cascade and treat China relationship the respect it deserves.

As we will soon see, if China escalate, Biden will fold as a paper bag. Biden has no balls to escalate the tech war or trade war. He might sign some bills boosting US investments with some mean words on China, but that's it.

 

[Kaeshmiri]

Do you want to know why Biden is theatrics and tough rhetoric only aimed at domestic audience?

Only two Chinese officials sanctioned over Uyghur issue. Two.

Trump did FAR more over Xinjiang and HK.

Trump used to go all alone and hence his actions were more expansive.

Biden believes in taking others along and distributing work load. Now look at EU, they had absolutely no reason to impose sanctions but they still did. Biden sanctioned 2 officials so it looks less. But EU sanctioned 4 . So total of 6 officials were sanctioned .
While Trump and Pompeo were all publicly threatening EU for signing CAI, Biden worked behind the scenes and the result is for all to see. EU-China relations are going downhill & CAI ratification is now close to impossible as a result.
His first 100 days have been focussed on strengthening ties with EU and forming an Asian NATO in the form of Quad. This is exactly what he meant when he said "building alliances"

Goes to prove that Biden is doing an illusion of tough guy policy on China to appease the Republicans in a show of bipartisanship...but once Biden realizes Republicans won't be convinced and will never be satisfied with Biden actions, the sooner he can drop hisbl tough guy cascade and treat China relationship the respect it deserves.

That's not gonna happen. Many here are ignoring the headlines accompanying the sanctions. They're claiming genocide, implicitly calling China a Nazi state. This is unprecedented escalation whatever way you see it and severely damages Chinas reputation. They don't want to give China any respect and infact want to kill its reputation.

As we will soon see, if China escalate, Biden will fold as a paper bag. Biden has no balls to escalate the tech war or trade war. He might sign some bills boosting US investments with some mean words on China, but that's it.

What we'll see is small incremental steps being taken by US and EU. It wont look big but it will have a strong impact when taken cumulatively. Lets not underestimate Biden , he maybe demented but the team he has surrounded himself with have been career diplomats who've worked with EU and other Asian nations all their life. They know how to collectively gang up on other countries unlike Trump.

 

[horse]

That's not gonna happen. Many here are ignoring the headlines accompanying the sanctions. They're claiming genocide, implicitly calling China a Nazi state. This is unprecedented escalation whatever way you see it and severely damages Chinas reputation. They don't want to give China any respect and infact want to kill its reputation.

These allegations are worthless, and this smear campaign is a dud.

This is about Muslims inside China. There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world, not a single Muslim country wants to support this, because they all remember the Saddam had WMD stories.

If anyone in the west wants to escalate this, then fine.

Escalate.

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In the meantime, the west will sanction each other over pipelines, and threaten each other over vaccines.

 

[Annihilation98]

Do you want to know why Biden is theatrics and tough rhetoric only aimed at domestic audience?

Only two Chinese officials sanctioned over Uyghur issue. Two.

Trump did FAR more over Xinjiang and HK.

Goes to prove that Biden is doing an illusion of tough guy policy on China to appease the Republicans in a show of bipartisanship...but once Biden realizes Republicans won't be convinced and will never be satisfied with Biden actions, the sooner he can drop hisbl tough guy cascade and treat China relationship the respect it deserves.

As we will soon see, if China escalate, Biden will fold as a paper bag. Biden has no balls to escalate the tech war or trade war. He might sign some bills boosting US investments with some mean words on China, but that's it.

Biden is more dangerous. Trump is alone but Biden have backup from european allies. We will see more sanction from US, EU and its allies soon.