Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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horse

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War with India AND the U.S.? Great . . . I think China should also attack VN, PH, JPN, SK, RU, IR, the EU, etc. just declare war on the whole world while you're at it. That will mean China wins for sure! /s
Gotcha!

China did something you never thought about.

Now you try to prove to yourself that is impossible.

That is a way to lose.

China has full confidence in its carrier killer missiles, (along with subs and air attacks against US carrier groups), and Taiwan is in no position to fight.

How long do you think that war will last? Win or lose?

Regardless, the other end of the country will have the Indians perhaps try to take advantage of the distraction again.

China has two red lines here, not one.
 

bajingan

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US should rethink Taiwan 'strategic ambiguity': Indo-Pacific chief​

When asked by Sen. Rick Scott, a Republican from Florida, whether it was time for the U.S. to "state clearly that we are not going to allow communist China to invade and subdue Taiwan," Davidson did not shoot it down.

"I wake up every day, you know, trying to assess the dynamic nature of the geostrategic environment, and you know, frankly we ought to be thinking about these things every day," Davidson said.

"More than 40 years of the strategic ambiguity ... has helped keep Taiwan and its current status, but you know these things should be reconsidered routinely," he said, adding, "I would look forward to the conversation."

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Comment: If the US ends strategic ambiguity, China could be forced into an option of only two choices - go to war with the U.S. or grant Taiwan independence.
They didn't even dare to let kelly craft flew to taiwan, let alone grants taiwan independence lol
 

ansy1968

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I think the Chinese hadn't received Pompeo memo regarding Iran oil sanctions...LOL

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Despite the U.S. sanctions on Iranian oil exports, some Chinese refiners are buying so much Iranian crude that the ports in the Shandong province, where most independent refiners are based, are experiencing tanker traffic congestions, analysts and traders have told
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China has never actually stopped buying crude oil from the Islamic Republic, even after the Trump Administration slapped sanctions on Iran’s oil sales in 2018, warning buyers to stay away from Iranian crude and risk being sanctioned and cut off from the U.S. banking system.

Various reports, media investigations, and tanker-tracking firms suggest that China has been
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than the official figures report, when they report imports from Iran.


The Islamic Republic has been using ship-to-ship transfers with transponders turned off to avoid detection, skirting U.S. sanctions.

Some Chinese refiners are now taking advantage of the heavily discounted Iranian crude amid surging benchmark oil prices. Those buyers in China who import oil from Iran are reportedly buying the crude at a discount of $3 to $5 per barrel off the
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benchmark, according to Bloomberg.

In addition, oil demand in China is back to pre-crisis levels, and some refiners prefer lower-priced crude when Brent is nearing the $70 per barrel threshold.

China’s imports of crude oil from Iran in March are expected to more than double from February and reach around 856,000 barrels per day (bpd), which would be the highest estimated volume of Chinese imports of Iran’s oil in nearly two years, Kevin Wright, a Singapore-based analyst at Kpler, told Bloomberg. The estimated import level this month includes the oil that Iran is said to have transferred from ship to ship at some point along the route to hide the fact that the origin of the crude was actually Iran.

As a result of the higher imports from Iran, tankers are estimated to have waited for days at Shandong ports, analysts told Bloomberg.

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Despite the U.S. sanctions on Iranian oil exports, some Chinese refiners are buying so much Iranian crude that the ports in the Shandong province, where most independent refiners are based, are experiencing tanker traffic congestions
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Bellum_Romanum

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US should rethink Taiwan 'strategic ambiguity': Indo-Pacific chief​

When asked by Sen. Rick Scott, a Republican from Florida, whether it was time for the U.S. to "state clearly that we are not going to allow communist China to invade and subdue Taiwan," Davidson did not shoot it down.

"I wake up every day, you know, trying to assess the dynamic nature of the geostrategic environment, and you know, frankly we ought to be thinking about these things every day," Davidson said.

"More than 40 years of the strategic ambiguity ... has helped keep Taiwan and its current status, but you know these things should be reconsidered routinely," he said, adding, "I would look forward to the conversation."

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Comment: If the US ends strategic ambiguity, China could be forced into an option of only two choices - go to war with the U.S. or grant Taiwan independence.
Then War it is no 2 ways about it. To allow the U.S. have the final say to China's core and sovereign issue is tantamount to a f...ng surrender. The C.P.C. as it exist would lose legitimacy in the eyes of many Chinese that have been wanting for the reunification with the renegade province.
 

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I think people are harboring this fantasy of hard decoupling between the China and the U.S. In my humble opinion: it won’t happen. Or it won’t happen until it passes the Walt Disney Litmus Test (something I made up).

In order for the China-US relations to deteriorate to the point of no return, it must first pass the Walt Disney Litmus test — China will confiscate all Disney assets in Shanghai and Hong Kong and Disney will start making anti-China propaganda films.

Until the above happens, no chance of hard decoupling.
 

hashtagpls

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what pottinger was hoping for was a zipper like chain reaction such as was seen with the TSMC chip sanctions against SMIC; pottinger and his mob hoped that as more and more chinese firms are sanctioned, more and more supply chains will leave China, therefore making it easier to make war on China since US elites wouldn't be watching their own factories and capital being destroyed.

A very Taichi, yin yang solution to such a strategy is to universalise the Chines economy, such that the US ends up isolating itself from the world economy as opposed to China.
 

ansy1968

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what pottinger was hoping for was a zipper like chain reaction such as was seen with the TSMC chip sanctions against SMIC; pottinger and his mob hoped that as more and more chinese firms are sanctioned, more and more supply chains will leave China, therefore making it easier to make war on China since US elites wouldn't be watching their own factories and capital being destroyed.

A very Taichi, yin yang solution to such a strategy is to universalise the Chines economy, such that the US ends up isolating itself from the world economy as opposed to China.
@hashtagpls a follow up on your post, they expect China to act irrational and had a temper tantrum like them, their policy decision on China is based on western perspective (lens), they assume that China will act according to Western norms. Instead China didn't panicked , they did the opposite and open up more. Its a Sun Tzu philosophy of knowing your enemy and know yourself. As @Oldschool had mentioned its a War of Civilization and the US is hampered by the fact that her opponent is a master of the art.
 

voyager1

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@hashtagpls a follow up on your post, they expect China to act irrational and had a temper tantrum like them, their policy decision on China is based on western perspective (lens), they assume that China will act according to Western norms. Instead China didn't panicked , they did the opposite and open up more. Its a Sun Tzu philosophy of knowing your enemy and know yourself. As @Oldschool had mentioned its a War of Civilization and the US is hampered by the fact that her opponent is a master of the art.
Man it is really embarrassing how much Xi outplayed the US during the Trump administration. Really, he locked in so many gains to China, that i think in the future chinese people will build a shrine of him
 

gadgetcool5

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Then War it is no 2 ways about it. To allow the U.S. have the final say to China's core and sovereign issue is tantamount to a f...ng surrender. The C.P.C. as it exist would lose legitimacy in the eyes of many Chinese that have been wanting for the reunification with the renegade province.
If it is war then China must telegraph to the U.S. now that an end to strategic ambiguity means war. (And this must be done before strategic ambiguity actually ends.) Because otherwise I can see the U.S. deciding to do it. Once this is done, use of force from that point on would become insane; it would invite WW3.
 
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