Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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bajingan

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It is indeed an act of war, i am just a bit nervous the quad meeting is happening on friday before Wang yi and blinken meeting in alaska
God knows what are they planning
 

solarz

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It is indeed an act of war, i am just a bit nervous the quad meeting is happening on friday before Wang yi and blinken meeting in alaska
God knows what are they planning

Why would they bother? It's not like Wang Yi has any particular value as a hostage.

One thing's for sure though, I doubt we'll be seeing any US visits by Xi Jinping anytime soon.
 

bettydice

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I too thought about a possibility of the US (or one of its satellites) arresting Chinese leaders when I heard the news that China is meeting with the US in Alaska. (I also remember the happening long time ago about the Spanish court issuing an arrest warrant for the former Chinese president Jiang Zemin. Aside from Canada's kidnapping of Huawei's executive, I also remember a case that Europe set up a trap to lure a Chinese national to travel to Europe to capture him for an attempted theft of BAE technology.)

The problem for China in such an event would be, since it's the US who planned and started, the US and its allies would have known the plan of trap in advance, thus none of their important figures would be in China at the time it happens and from then on. The resulting situation is the US takes hostage of top level Chinese diplomats or even the president, but China has no equivalent to arrest in reciprocal retaliation. The US has the upper hand. China could arrest ordinary US citizens instead, but then the US can do the same, so it's not equal. In that case, would China go for a military war with them? I'm not sure.

The leaders of Iran or North Korea would never enter any US territory in fear of that. China is much more powerful than those countries so the US should be much less likely to dare such an act though. I think there still is a possibility and China should be always careful of and prepared for even small possibilities.
 

Hendrik_2000

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He said thing did change much over the last 200 years stereotyping, bias, fake news, aggression with flimsy excuse .For the west every thing is win-loose and the west has to be no 1. Interesting He quote Xi who said China change and now know a lot about the west but did the west know about China? good question

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AssassinsMace

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If you guys read this, it shows the US's mouth doesn't match their actions.
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More information is coming out from Taiwan itself regarding Kelly Craft's aborted trip to Taiwan in the last days of the Trump administration.


In recent days our military intelligence and cross strait diplomatic corp have acquired many pieces of information regarding this. After analysis the situation overall went thusly: from 7th of January to 10th of January China strongly protested via diplomatic channels (re Kelly Craft's trip) to no avail. After deliberation Beijing decided to respond with military force. On 11th of January PLA notified US DoD via military channels that China cannot tolerate Kelly Craft's action as they will damage the sovereignty of China. Once her plane nears Taiwan PLA aircraft will enter Taiwan airspace and declare sovereignty. If Taiwan aircraft were to interfere with this then they may be fired upon.

At the time The Pentagon was busy with the handover and did not expect such a strong response from the PLA. They attempted to contact PLA high command but was refused. Pentagon contacted United States Indo-Pacific Command and was told that the only way to ensure safety of Kelly Craft's plane was to mobilize F-15C from 18th Wing from Kadena Air Base, Okinawa for escort. But such as action risk military confrontation between China and US.


Alternatively to avoid direct military confrontation between US and China ROCAF aircraft might be used instead for escort, but such a plan could also be very troublesome as once large number of PLAAF aircraft crosses the midline there is risk of aerial combat with ROCAF aircraft over northern Taiwan. Should that happen Kelly Craft's aircraft would be in danger and will be forced to turn and land in US airforce base in Japan. Although this means US forces will not be involved in any fighting it will still trigger war between Taiwawn and China, and thus cause a political disaster for the US.


Thus DoD was forced to send both the PLA warning as well as their estimate regarding US forces to the state department and recommend Kelly Craft's trip to Taiwan be cancelled. Pompeo was very upset but after considering the consequences was forced to hit the brakes. To avoid giving the impression that the cancellation of the trip was due to pressure from China he instead used the handover as excuse and not only cancelled the Taiwan trip, but also his own trip to Europe as well as all other trips by State Department staff. Thus in the end Kelly Craft did not go to Taiwan and PLA did not implement the threat. Because of this Taiwan's politic establishment never realised they were part of this political show of force between Beijing and Washington and how close war brushed by them.

The US was about to declare Taiwanese independence because they thought China wouldn't do anything but because China showed it was about to act against the US sending their UN ambassador to Taiwan to declare it, they backed off. If you're ready to defend Taiwan as the US claims, shouldn't they own it and be ready to defend their principles on everything? But no, they put all their bets that China wouldn't do anything but because China showed it was about militarily act which meant war, they backed off.

So do you think they would actually arrest Chinese diplomats during a meeting in the US on their invitation? You don't think that would start a war?
 

LesAdieux

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If you guys read this, it shows the US's mouth doesn't match their actions.


The US was about to declare Taiwanese independence because they thought China wouldn't do anything but because China showed it was about to act against the US sending their UN ambassador to Taiwan to declare it, they backed off. If you're ready to defend Taiwan as the US claims, shouldn't they own it and be ready to defend their principles on everything? But no, they put all their bets that China wouldn't do anything but because China showed it was about militarily act which meant war, they backed off.

So do you think they would actually arrest Chinese diplomats during a meeting in the US on their invitation? You don't think that would start a war?

it's high risk gamble, it could go either way, someone must back down.

there were three big show down during the cold war: the berlin crisis, the cuban crisis, and the IRBM & cruise missile crisis. the Russians back down on all three, no wonder they lost in the end.
 

weig2000

Captain
it's high risk gamble, it could go either way, someone must back down.

there were three big show down during the cold war: the berlin crisis, the cuban crisis, and the IRBM & cruise missile crisis. the Russians back down on all three, no wonder they lost in the end.

At least in the first two crises, Soviet Union overreached.
 

antiterror13

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If you guys read this, it shows the US's mouth doesn't match their actions.


The US was about to declare Taiwanese independence because they thought China wouldn't do anything but because China showed it was about to act against the US sending their UN ambassador to Taiwan to declare it, they backed off. If you're ready to defend Taiwan as the US claims, shouldn't they own it and be ready to defend their principles on everything? But no, they put all their bets that China wouldn't do anything but because China showed it was about militarily act which meant war, they backed off.

So do you think they would actually arrest Chinese diplomats during a meeting in the US on their invitation? You don't think that would start a war?

Very interesting,have you got any link of that event "that the Taiwan to declare Independence" ? really interesting

But I wasn't surprise anymore what Trump would do :rolleyes:
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Very interesting,have you got any link of that event "that the Taiwan to declare Independence" ? really interesting

But I wasn't surprise anymore what Trump would do :rolleyes:

The article says Pompeo was looking to piss-off the Chinese with a change of Taiwan's sovereignty status. It doesn't surprise me because that has always been the ultimate goal of the more hawkish Republican pro-Taiwan faction that's been around since Nixon opened relations with China. It was Pompeo more than Trump. Trump is clueless and after he lost the election he basically gave Pompeo the green light to do anything he wanted short of war. If they thought China was just going to stand-by and do nothing, that just shows even Pompeo who is more educated than Trump is really that stupid over what he believed. The US was less than 24 hours from war. Just imagine if it wasn't for someone in the US military brass with some common sense to tell Pompeo things are looking bad, the US would've found themselves in a war they weren't planning. That's how wildly dangerous the US risks the world. I'm wondering will the mainstream Western media even discuss this? Or will they cover it up because it shows how arrogant and irresponsible the US is in the world?

On the flip side, this should be a lesson to China when they do nothing or wait a year to respond to US actions, they think China will do nothing and believe they can do anything without any resistance from China.
 
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