Ladakh Flash Point

[twineedle]

Why would a territory inside india's LAC has 'China' written on it??
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If I write my initials on your house, does it make it mine? That spot is clearly on the Indian side of the lac. Unless Google is biased.

 

[lgnxz]

You can claim that pp14 is a contested LAC or whatever, but June 15 clash should really tell you which one is the victor in controlling it. The term 'always' is also ridiculous as if we don't have satellite photos on pp14 (and ONLY pp14, China doesn't contest galwan mouth, get this right into your thick indian skull) before and after the clash on how you blockade yourself out of pp14 after the clash with the wall


Keep dreaming about how china is losing since it can't go further into the galwan mouth, it's just your fantasy narrative since China has never claim that area and never try to go into it either. Satellite photos and the chinese embassy' statement also collaborate how it's indians who tried to make its move first into the pp14, and how china makes the distinction between 'crossing the estuary' that happened in early April and 'crosing the LAC' that happened in May and June, which completely goes against your 'china is attempting to change the LAC until galwan mouth' lie.

 

[lgnxz]

That spot is clearly on the Indian side of the lac. Unless Google is biased.

Which is why it's called contested LAC? Are you pretending that this doesn't exist? Is this also not the case in the northern side of the lake?

What matters is who won the battle, aka the June 15 clash. If your side 'always' control pp14 then why do you blockade yourself out of pp14 and allows China to construct fortification on it right after the clash??

 

[lgnxz]

This is just pathetic attempt from your side to throw whatever you can given the window of opportunity until something sticks. Reread again the embassy' statement about what happened in the pp14. You're the one who made the first move, ALL satellite photos also confirmed it. How does that make sense if it's China who wanted to change the LAC if it's actually you who started making trouble going as far back as April???

And when your attempt of controlling pp14 failed, you just pathetically went back, blockade yourself with the wall, and then starting to claim victory by making up stuffs about how china is the one who started it all and how china wants to go into the galwan mouth?? LMAO

 

[twineedle]

Which is why it's called contested LAC? Are you pretending that this doesn't exist? Is this also not the case in the northern side of the lake?

What matters is who won the battle, aka the June 15 clash. If your side 'always' control pp14 then why do you blockade yourself out of pp14 and allows China to construct fortification on it right after the clash??

Until last year, there was no dispute in Galwan, unlike in Pangong. And even if India did set up the first camps there(which is unlikely) that is still within the lac which up until that point, China recognized. And if India made the first move, why did China dam the river and set up camps near the lac, forcing India to do a mirror deployment? Obviously, China dismantled those camps, restoring status quo ante, but I still have yet to see an answer as to shy China changed the river flow if India was the agressor.

 

[twineedle]

You can claim that pp14 is a contested LAC or whatever, but June 15 clash should really tell you which one is the victor in controlling it. The term 'always' is also ridiculous as if we don't have satellite photos on pp14 (and ONLY pp14, China doesn't contest galwan mouth, get this right into your thick indian skull) before and after the clash on how you blockade yourself out of pp14 after the clash with the wall
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Keep dreaming about how china is losing since it can't go further into the galwan mouth, it's just your fantasy narrative since China has never claim that area and never try to go into it either. Satellite photos and the chinese embassy' statement also collaborate how it's indians who tried to make its move first into the pp14, and how china makes the distinction between 'crossing the estuary' that happened in early April and 'crosing the LAC' that happened in May and June, which completely goes against your 'china is attempting to change the LAC until galwan mouth' lie.

And where are those camps now? We are not talking about one battle here, even though you keep tying to change the topic. We are talking about the standoff as a whole

 

[lgnxz]

There is no dispute because you don't try to cross into the LAC, nor doing the buildup in the estuary? Like hello you somehow forget all these images?

And even if India did set up the first camps there(which is unlikely)

No, there's no debate about that.

And if India made the first move, why did China dam the river and set up camps near the lac, forcing India to do a mirror deployment? Obviously, China dismantled those camps, restoring status quo ante, but I still have yet to see an answer as to shy China changed the river flow if India was the agressor.

Well simple, because you do make the first move since April? Like did you not even read the sentences from your own??? Don't want river to be changed, don't try to enter the estuary, simple as that.

And where are those camps now? We are not talking about one battle here, even though you keep tying to change the topic. We are talking about the standoff as a whole

We withdraw, same thing that happened in 1962 to you, same thing that happened in china-vietnam war, same thing that happened northern side of the lake, same thing that happened here. After teaching the enemy a lesson, the PLA always withdraw. How hard is it to understand?

Following your logic, are you gonna claim that China lose against india in 1962 since we also withdraw ourselves back??

 

[Xizor]

The "evidence" posted above does not corroborate anything. Read closely, he just says, pp14 is well behind the lac. Which is true, all of the images previously posted have shown that. As I have said, pp14 is a patrolling, point that marks the etent of Indian patrols. That doesn't always line up exactly with the lac. And Brig. RJS eid not corroborate what SHukla claimed. He himself was unsure of exactly how facr the lac was where he patrolled, and he could even be remembering incorrectly. Or perhaps things have changed since 1970- maybe the Indian millitary decided there was little strategic or tactical benefits to patrolling to that random spot, especially considering the dangers involved. And I did not see him specifically state that pp14 was not the bend- just that pp14 was behind the lac, which is true. Just not by a km.

And it is interesting that Brig RJS' testimny is supposed to be completely true, but Col. Dinny, who recently patrolled Pangong, is lying or conducting information warfare by saying Indian troops never patrolled past f3 under his command.

And Shiv Aroor, Nitin Gokhale, etc. are NOT croneis _ they are respected journalists who have provided factual coverage on the standoff and talk to ACTUAL gov. sources. Whereas Shukla is openly biased against the current Indian gov.

Bold 1 : The original LAC is 1km from Y junction, where there is a sharp turn.

You distort again. Is it out of ignorance? Realistically, it's out of malice.

Bold 2: Yes he did. You read the article linked. He draws the original LAC exactly where Shukla drew it.

- 5 km patrols into Galwan Valley (from the confluence point).
- 1 km from the Bend (Y junction)

Bold 3: Or he could be right. I see you squirm. Nice.

Bold 4: Siachen is Dangerous. Why go there? Shoddy excuse.

Bold 5: Read the article.

 

[Xizor]

Please learn what km squared means. I am curious why you are criticizing me for that, but not countless people here who are spreading lies that India lost 1000 km of territory, even though satellite images show India did not lose any territory. Are you saying that chinese pots and infra were all lined up in a straight line?

Indian media claims India lost territory. (which it did).

Last decade India lost territory. India also lost patrol rights.

Care to refute? Nah. You distort and beat around the bush to refute.

 

[Xizor]

Oh, btw, Dr. Fravel is a MIT political scientists who is considered a leading China expert. But I suppose he is not as reputable as Ajai Shukla

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And if Ajai Shukla is correct(which it isn't) it goes against the narrative China tried to spread with the video that India was the agressor.

Bold 1 :

Your proclivity for foreigner worship is pretty evident. You are discrediting retired veterans (that too someone who commanded patrols) in favor of some American think tank shill who haven't set in foot on the place.

Bold 2:

Ajai Shukla has been vindicated by the support lend by the veteran who lead. Unless you can show another veteran (of patrols to the point), denying it, the reality is that Ajai Shukla's claims can be believed.