China's SCS Strategy Thread

KYli

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Why wasn't this rectified after Vietnam's unification? The Vietnamese government have all the power and authority they need to enforce patriotic education and stamp out any remaining influence left by America. By allowing American soft power influence to take root Vietnamese authorities are doing the same mistake as Hong Kong. When the time is ripe, all the US needs to do is whip up Pro Democrazy sentiments among the population and protests will flood the streets in no time. Again, the government of Vietnam is making a huge gamble by turning a blind eye to American influence operations in their country.
Initially, Vietnam did try to purge the pro-West factions which resulted in many people fleeing Vietnam including many Han Chinese. However, being victorious in the Vietnam War has emboldened Vietnamese government. Briefly after the victory, Vietnam decided to unify the Indochina and wage wars with its neighbors to become a regional power. Afterward the honey moon period between China and Vietnam was over and Vietnam decided to ally itself solely with the Soviet. A border and SCS conflict with China and subsequent events ended Vietnam's ambition.

In the late 80s, Vietnam began to realize that the Soviet downfall is imminent. That's why it reached out to China for peace and attempted to copy China's model by opening up its economy. In the 90s, many Vietnamese returned from oversea and pro-West factions in the South is strengthened due to the focus is turning to economy. Vietnam has slowly become pro-West and anti-China become more prominent.

In the 00s, Vietnam needed a distraction for its internal problems as high inflation and the collapse of welfare slowly built resentment among its people. Vietnam decided to incite nationalism and anti-China as a way out. Schools textbook slowly started to eliminate negative American atrocities and depicted the historical grievances with China as the main theme.

Vietnam did tone down a bit after riots against Chinese including Taiwanese factories dampened investment. However, the Vietnamese government has become very corrupt and the thinking of becoming American vassal state to contain China become dominant. At the same time, Vietnamese military slowly and decisively become the king maker as it involved in economy has made it not needing the Vietnamese government anymore. Vietnamese military needs to justify its spending so China became the scapegoat. I don' think there is a way to turn back the clock. Most Vietnamese have been brainwashed to forgive the Americans and hate the Chinese.
So these countries are willing to ignore America's atrocities to their own people just to secure American support in standing up to China. I think only countries that have lost self respect resort to these actions.
It is like many Hong Kongers still dreaming about the UK would come back for them and the US would come to save them from China even though the colonial period in HK is also full of atrocities. The West just knows how to sell its poison pill and brainwash the people to think democracy can resolve everything and the West is their savior.
 

davidau

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Initially, Vietnam did try to purge the pro-West factions which resulted in many people fleeing Vietnam including many Han Chinese. However, being victorious in the Vietnam War has emboldened Vietnamese government. Briefly after the victory, Vietnam decided to unify the Indochina and wage wars with its neighbors to become a regional power. Afterward the honey moon period between China and Vietnam was over and Vietnam decided to ally itself solely with the Soviet. A border and SCS conflict with China and subsequent events ended Vietnam's ambition.

In the late 80s, Vietnam began to realize that the Soviet downfall is imminent. That's why it reached out to China for peace and attempted to copy China's model by opening up its economy. In the 90s, many Vietnamese returned from oversea and pro-West factions in the South is strengthened due to the focus is turning to economy. Vietnam has slowly become pro-West and anti-China become more prominent.

In the 00s, Vietnam needed a distraction for its internal problems as high inflation and the collapse of welfare slowly built resentment among its people. Vietnam decided to incite nationalism and anti-China as a way out. Schools textbook slowly started to eliminate negative American atrocities and depicted the historical grievances with China as the main theme.

Vietnam did tone down a bit after riots against Chinese including Taiwanese factories dampened investment. However, the Vietnamese government has become very corrupt and the thinking of becoming American vassal state to contain China become dominant. At the same time, Vietnamese military slowly and decisively become the king maker as it involved in economy has made it not needing the Vietnamese government anymore. Vietnamese military needs to justify its spending so China became the scapegoat. I don' think there is a way to turn back the clock. Most Vietnamese have been brainwashed to forgive the Americans and hate the Chinese.

It is like many Hong Kongers still dreaming about the UK would come back for them and the US would come to save them from China even though the colonial period in HK is also full of atrocities. The West just knows how to sell its poison pill and brainwash the people to think democracy can resolve everything and the West is their savior.
What is democracy in the West! Look at the US [Australia..UK..]...how they treat the natives blacks, asians, hispanics. US and others will do well if it can keep their house in order. Instead of preaching, why not doing something positve in a democratic way!!

At best, they use the majic word 'democracy' as a wolf in sheep's skin. The West are still maintaing its imperial, colonial DNA. Hypocrits!
 

ansy1968

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Registered Member
What is democracy in the West! Look at the US [Australia..UK..]...how they treat the natives blacks, asians, hispanics. US and others will do well if it can keep their house in order. Instead of preaching, why not doing something positve in a democratic way!!

At best, they use the majic word 'democracy' as a wolf in sheep's skin. The West are still maintaing its imperial, colonial DNA. Hypocrits!
@davidau they oversell the word DEMOCRACY, now people are more dissolution than ever....LOL.
 

KenC

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I think it more likely a case of Indian pushing for the sales of Brahmos. The Philippines are unlikely to be goaded into buying as long as Duterte is in power. Even Vietnam is not buying despite being in the news for Brahmos deal for a number of years.
 

gelgoog

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Vietnam already owns the P-800 Oniks I think. They have Bastion-P coastal defense systems. So I don't see the point in them getting the Brahmos.
 

j17wang

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There are suggestions within US think tanks to seize territories of neutral countries in the South China sea in the event of a military conflict against China. This is a clear indication that the US is not genuinely interested in protecting the sovereignty of the countries involved in SCS dispute.


Honestly, it makes sense for China to continue promoting those views and ensuring they are well known. This is what america's true nature is. The last 40 years of "marginal democracy" and a semblance of rights for visible minorities will revert to America's long term needs to genocide anybody that is not white.
 

bajingan

Senior Member
There are suggestions within US think tanks to seize territories of neutral countries in the South China sea in the event of a military conflict against China. This is a clear indication that the US is not genuinely interested in protecting the sovereignty of the countries involved in SCS dispute.


I wonder if my buddy at indonesian intelligence (bin) is reading this, i am gonna show him this tweet and see how he react
 
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