Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

solarz

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According to Max Blumenthal, Amazon 'ban' the book "Capitalism on a Ventilator". This is a book that is highly critical of US response to the epidemic while praising China's response. Instead of working together to deal with the epidemic, Washington chose to ramp up racist propaganda, military encirclement, trade wars etc, leading much to its own detriment.

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Glad to see at least some people in the West are able to see through the propaganda.
 

KYli

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You know the situation in the world has changed when even nations like the Czech are asking for Chinese vaccines. If the west hadn’t been greedy and simply helped in distributing the vaccine around the world, then maybe they won’t deal with the fact that they are slowly losing there grip on the world right now
It isn't just Czech but Poland also has called and asked President Xi for vaccines but Poland didn't request an immediately delivery. However, both health ministers from Poland and Czech might not endorse Sinopharm without EMA from interview.
 

taxiya

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You know the situation in the world has changed when even nations like the Czech are asking for Chinese vaccines. If the west hadn’t been greedy and simply helped in distributing the vaccine around the world, then maybe they won’t deal with the fact that they are slowly losing there grip on the world right now
They are not able to help anybody because they have a domestic disaster to handle before they have any means to help others. China can help others now because China suppressed the virus before it could spread out to the whole country. If China failed to do what it did in early 2020, China would have been in the same mess as the west, and China won't be able to export any vaccine for a year or two.

Therefor, to be honest, I would not blame EU countries for not "helping" others because they are not able to even if they want to (not that much wanting either probably).
 

taxiya

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It isn't just Czech but Poland also has called and asked President Xi for vaccines but Poland didn't request an immediately delivery. However, both health ministers from Poland and Czech might not endorse Sinopharm without EMA from interview.
I suspect that there is an element of bargaining with or pressing EU in Czech and Poland's move. China just declared the goal of inoculating 40% its populating by June, then the rest by the end of 2021 or early 2022. There are also lots other countries in the queue for China's vaccine. These countries are at the front of the queue, they were also supportive to China's pushing back the anti-China attack. China's production capacity is far from meeting the requirement to cover all these population. Even considering ramping up the production measures, it would be a full year before the demand and supply reach a balance. Before that time, Czech and Poland may have already got what they ordered through EU.

So I am saying their move is more of pressing EU for more vaccine distributions. It is similar to Erdogan talking about joining SCO while being a member of NATO.

From China's perspective, China is not able to help everybody, who would China prioritize? The one with whom China has a friendly relationship, or the one who just slapped China's face? At best, China may squeeze some volume as a symbolic token, but it won't be large enough to make a difference. The token is because of the saying "伸手不打笑脸人" (don't slap the smiling face).
 
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KYli

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I suspect that there is an element of bargaining with or pressing EU in Czech and Poland's move. China just declared the goal of inoculating 40% its populating by June, then the rest by the end of 2021 or early 2022. There are also lots other countries in the queue for China's vaccine. These countries are at the front of the queue, they were also supportive to China's pushing back the anti-China attack. China's production capacity is far from meeting the requirement to cover all these population. Even considering ramping up the production measures, it would be a full year before the demand and supply reach a balance. Before that time, Czech and Poland may have already got what they ordered through EU.

So I am saying their move is more of pressing EU for more vaccine distributions. It is similar to Erdogan talking about joining SCO while being a member of NATO.

From China's perspective, China is not able to help everybody, who would China prioritize? The one with whom China has a friendly relationship, or the one who just slapped China's face? At best, China may squeeze some volume as a symbolic token, but it won't be large enough to make a difference. The token is because of the saying "伸手不打笑脸人" (don't slap the smiling face).
China already has the production capacity to produce 2.6 billions doses of covid vaccines annually. 500 millions of those doses are from CanSino single dose vaccine. Sinovac has planned to ramp up production to 2 billion doses by June from 1 billion doses. Sinopharm has planned to ramp up production to 3 billion doses within 2 years or so from 1 billion doses. China still has Zhifei vaccine and multiple other vaccines that would be approved before year end. So I think you have underestimated China's ability to meet the demand of vaccines around the world.

At the moment, China doesn't have a supply side problem but a demand side problem. Most people feel relatively safe and have no urgency to take vaccines. That's why they have lowered the goal of inoculating 40% from June to July. Major buyers such as UAE, Turkey, Indonesia, Brazil, and Mexico buy bulk ingredients and do the filling and packaging by themselves. Other small buyers and donations wouldn't be a problem for China.

Siberia has already relied upon Sinopharm for vaccination. Hungary has agreed to procure 5 millions doses from Sinopharm. So it is not unrealistic for Poland or Czech to order 5-10 millions doses and ask to deliver in 4 months. It is a great PR coup for China if Western nations would be forced to rely upon China for vaccines. The naysayers in the third world countries would shut up and allow their government procure Chinese vaccines.
 
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