Ladakh Flash Point

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steel21

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Holy shit man, are there no NCO or COs in that formation.

Once their position collapsed there wasn't any semblance of controlled/organized retrograde from their hill top position.


Mofo run for their lives like a mob.

There is no bounding overwatch or and tactical management whatsoever. They are lucky the PLA did not pursue and decimate them man by man, as I really don't think the rest of the fleeting mass would give a shit about laggards or what happens the the last man.

Every NOC and or officer in charge should be reprimanded for maintaining any leadership.

If a company grade officer got caught on footage leading this sorry ass lot, as a Senior Rater, I would seriously consider his career over and stamp his DA Form 67-9 OER with DO NOT RETAIN.

Oh yea, the LT would also be on probation, and the 1SG should just fucking retire.
 
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manqiangrexue

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after initial clashes both sides were trying to beat each other with greater numbers also there are videos of chinese soldiers more in numbers pushing indian soldiers back.
Let's see those videos of Chinese soldiers outnumbering Indians ones. At Galwan?
i think chinese technology/drones sci-fi gadgets failed to locate large no. of advancing IA.
They should be more careful in the future, and more importantly, not assume that the IA can follow standards of modern engagement. They are prone to ambushing small unarmed negotiating teams. We know now.
Blaming IA for attacking PLA is wrong after PLA did same to IA initially.
How far back are you reaching this time? 1962? You've talked about Kublai Khan before so there really is no telling...
we know chinese army awarded 4 soldiers but my question is what is the number of soldiers not awarded any medals??
Those 4 died and were awarded for their sacrifice, and for holding off 200 enemies. But in general, China doesn't award soldiers for killing IA; that's not enough for a valor medal. You have to defeat competent enemies for that.
shamed by china for what r?
What r? I thought the British taught you better English than that... You need it for call center work. Anyway, how about ambushing an unarmed 5-man negotiating team, and then losing, both the actual fight, and in casualty numbers, as well as POWs? That's not that shameful for the IA compared to normal operations, right?
he broke skull of PLA officer wide open and that is shameful thing for PLA not Indian army.
I don't care about what IA said after Galwan clashes.
Yeah, there's a lot of things you need to not care about to keep going.
I like the fact that IA was agressive
I like that India can never improve because it always invents excuses to call its failures successes.

Aggressive is an interesting word to use; I guess you can be opportunistically aggressive and cowardly together. If you want to be aggressive, that's totally fine; China's ready to rumble. Seeing the quality of those soldiers a Galwan, you can come over and play anytime. But you don't dare; you can only ambush, in peace time. Cowardly ambushes like that happen only once, before your opponent knows you too well to let it happen again. This isn't a ninja ambush where you used stealth and cunning; this one relied on the other side trusting that you have some degree of civility. When that trust is lost, India can do nothing.
and IA soldiers broke skull of loudmouth PLA officer.
You saw video of IA trying to save PLA soldiers after giving nice thrashing and a captured PLA Vehicle? I say IA showing dominance over PLA I.
Over 1 person? How about the 20 IA who died, the 60+ that were captured, and who the 100+ who ran when there was a real fight? That one doesn't count towards India's imaginary world of dominance, right? LOL
Pakistan brag about smallest of achievements.
Indians brag about about achievements they invented out of defeat and humiliation.
While India carved out a new country out of pakistan and retured 90+K of Pakistani POW.
I think all of Pakistan was carved out of India.
Pakistan is just a nuisance for India they feel accomplished when Indian listen to them.
All we need to do is ignore those retards.
Yeah, you ignore it when they shoot down your jet by calling your own jet and pilot a disposable tin can.
Do you think 70 of them golgappas can beat 600 Indian soldiers?
Don't know what a golgappa is but in general, Indian armed forces tend to kill themselves accidentally so there's no real answer to the question of how many it takes to kill 600 of them. It depends on the level of screw up seen that day from the IA.
Question is why PLA want to negotiate with India and decides to move back but do opposite in South china sea.
Because India is not important enough to truly put resources into countering while the SCS involves the US, which is a real adversary you don't want to be distracted from when engaging.
Is PLA afraid of formidable opponent?
It's proper procedure to be more careful around
You dont negotiate with the enemy who encroaches on your territory and now trying to justify.
That's exactly what India did.
I say treatment by IA is justified.
Cowardice is only "justified" by lack of character, not by circumstance.
Blame PLA for running away leaving behind so called negotiator, it was their job to protect him.
Apparently you don't know what happened. Everyone protected the negotiating commander, so they died; 1 guy left to call for reinforcements. And then it was all Indian running from there on out.
But like always blame enemy for your own mistakes and start crying, making propaganda videos. I mean who does this?
India. Everyday. LOL
laughing and bringing caste,poverty into discussion will not increase your iq.
Inventing victories out of defeat and attempting to justify cowardly ambushes only unarmed negotiating teams will not decrease India's failures.
 
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siegecrossbow

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Holy shit man, are there no NCO or COs in that formation.

Once their position collapsed there wasn't any semblance of controlled/organized retrograde from their hill top position.


Mofo run for their lives like a mob.

There is no bounding overwatch or and tactical management whatsoever. They are lucky the PLA did not pursue and decimate them man by man, as I really don't think the rest of the fleeting mass would give a shit about laggards or what happens the the last man.

Every NOC and or officer in charge should be reprimanded for maintaining any leadership.

If a company grade officer got caught on footage leading this sorry ass, as a Senior Rater, I would seriously consider his career over and stamp his DA Form 67-9 OER with DO NOT RETAIN.

There appears to be a cultural of rewarding failures within the IA and it seems to pervade all three branches. You’ve got Abhinandan being awarded high honors for being shot down and held captive and the Su-30 pilots received decorations for dodging AIM-120s!

https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/9uwqzk
I recall this bit of news causing quite a bit of stir when it was first released in 2011. I was skeptical when I first saw this but I am skeptical no longer. Seems like basic competency is an issue here.
 

Deino

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Ok guys, this discussion is getting out of control! Terms like "Indian apes", "breaking the skull" and more are extremely disrespectful to casualties regardless from which side and I'll promise, when I find time and see any more such post within the last 5 pages, be prepared for a direct ban of one month.

So ... let's use the time and edit or delete all insulting and offensive poss before I'll do that and as noted, Thor's hammer will hit hard!


Done so and two idiots axed! ... take this as a warning!
 

siegecrossbow

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Drone company commended for assisting the PLA during the Galwan incident was also responsible for drone delivery of goods to the frontline in the ensuing months. It appears that said company is civilian and primarily does drone delivery. Flying at higher altitudes must have presented a unique set of challenges for them.

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steel21

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Yea, since I mostly worked with Army in my 20+ year career, I wasn't sure the Reddit article was G2G (Good To Good), so I asked a fellow O5 SWO (Surface Warfare Officer) to review it and give me his thoughts.

Dude was laughing his ass off from across the cubical farm and thought it was 100% credible.

I can only imagine how fucked up their land components are, as the Naval components are vastly more technical and not open to tactical improvisation that Army and Marine leaders are encouraged to do. This is in part because naval and air assets are almost entirely based on technical integration/implementation and order of magnitude more expensive and complex than MBT/IFV and small arms. They really are a system of systems.

And if the Indian Navy is this much of a soup sandwich then their Army would literally be a pile of shit.
 

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Chinese analysts said the high-profile commemoration of four PLA soldiers shows that there is an unshakable consensus shared by the mass public - unconditional support for the military to defend national sovereignty and territorial integrity, and the Chinese government also hopes the public will understand that stability and prosperity of the country, even in an era of peace, comes at a cost, sometimes even the lives of the soldiers to protect the nation.

India should learn that this kind of public opinion could turn into a huge force to be reckoned with against any foreign aggression, and if India doesn't appreciate China's sincerity in easing border tensions and engages in aggression further, India will again be the side who pays a heavy price, said experts.
Soldiers are not expendable in China, unlike in India. The Chinese populace can rally very quickly to a patriotic cause. We have observed that during China's battle against Covid-19 in Wuhan last year. India better not make itself the rallying cause for the Chinese people.

In the firsthand official information released by the PLA Daily on Friday, China used the words "foreign forces" instead of "Indian troops".

This is to minimize the unnecessary impact that could in turn embarrass India and disturb the ongoing disengagement process, Lin said, adding that "But unfortunately, India could mistakenly interpret this as 'China is afraid of India,' so strength is actually much more useful to deter further provocation from the Indian side," Lin said.
Correct assessment. India does not understand the concept of "face-saving" negotiations. Next time, just use the only language that India understand: Force. For the next round of negotiations, be sure to remind the Indian side, that China is prepared to obliterate all Indian bases and army formations in Ladakh and South Tibet if India tries anything.

China didn't immediately release information about the PLA's casualties and combat details after the clash in June 2020, because China doesn't want to escalate tensions, said Chinese experts, and if China had done what India did last year - using the clash to incite nationalism and hatred domestically, the two militaries wouldn't have the chance to disengage as they have today, the experts noted.
I would argue that it doesn't really matter. When Pakistan aired Abhinandan's beaten-up face on national TV with him saying: "The tea was excellent!". India didn't dare launch more cross-border airstrikes. Instead India accepted Pakistan's offer to return Abhinandan. After he was returned, India still didn't launch more air-raids. Because India was still in shock and disbelief that the PAF can actually hurt them. India was also shocked by the PLA's fighting capability after Galwan. So India will still concede, one way or another. Instead, China gave India 8-months to obfuscate the truth with mountains of BS. And gave India more time to take the negotiations for a ride.

"Although we believe China helped India save face after Indian troops were beaten badly by the PLA, India is unlikely to appreciate this, and border conflicts in the future are still possible, so China should be fully prepared. In communicating with India, strength is much more useful than sincerity," Song said.
That is an accurate assessment. Looks like next time, China is not gonna allow another chance for India to murder its PLA soldiers in cold blood. Next time, there won't just be replies with riot shields and rods. Next time, it should be uglier for India.
 
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