Ladakh Flash Point

[sukhoi_30MKI]

@Nobonita Barua I confer onto you the title of Honorary Chinese

There used to be an account called Banglar Lathial who used to post anti India stuff based on religious bigotry and hatred here. He also used to operate multiple accounts.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Wikipages are modern History books. Good Information Warfare, if anything.

One issue though, the sources aren't reliable or is circular.

Example

'USNews' cites IndiaToday which cites 'USNews'.
Or it cité one of those 'not-anti-Modi' news outlets which quotes an Indian soldier or "source".

Ultimately, it is certain to affect the view of the non aligned English language reader.

Definately. Which is why I said he's going to alter the 'facts' to suit his own narratives .

 

[Kakyan]

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See the picture below?​

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The yellow line is the new LAC China has pushed. Now very close to the 1959 status.

The Red square is the Despang plains.

The Red circle is the city of Leh.

The blue lines are the major indian supply and logist line.

Galwan valley is right at the blue line

Now you understand why this conflict happened ?

You indians got your a$$ whopped and lost Galawan Valley and will soon lose entire Desplang plains.

You still thought you "won"

poor indians

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You cant even map dude. :lol:

Entirety of Depsang plains is located east of Y-Junction in Ladakh as can be seen in this map by US governments NOAA.

 

[Gatekeeper]

There used to be an account called Banglar Lathial who used to post anti India stuff based on religious bigotry. He also used to operate multiple accounts.

I thought how would you know, you are only a 'new member' here. Then I check your profile. You have been here nearly 10 years but less than 20 posts. Wow. That's some lurking around! Just saying.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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PLA soldiers practicing how to tie up captives. Personally I think that a dummy would’ve been better, but then again a dummy doesn’t resist getting tied up.

 

[twineedle]

No. China "demanded" India move back from South Pangong Tso as a condition for Disengagement.

The road that leads to P4 still remains. Dhan Singh Thappa post at P2/3 and Chinese post at P8 are permanent posting areas.

Earlier India used to patrol till P8, now it can't. But you are trying to assert that a no buffer zone, which denies Indian ability to patrol, is what India wanted all along.

Sometime around 2017-2019,Indian HQ :
"Let's focus on getting a buffer zone so that we won't be able to patrol like we are doing."
"Yes. Very good. These patrols are bad. A buffer zone means less work"
"Let's engage in a border scuffle with the adversary along a vast non demarcated border. That way, we will get our buffer zones"
"Yes. A great idea indeed fellow soldier".

Except you have not provided any evidence of Indian patrols regularly reaching finger 8. If that were the case, surely there would be some video or photo of a confrontation between Indian and Chinese troops like there have been at finger 4? And even if Indian troops did patrol up to 8, that was dwarfed by the number of times China patrolled up to 4 and even beyond. Not to mention China had vastly more infrastructure. So China clearly had more to lose between finger 4-8. The fact is the situation in Pangong both north and south, is back to the status quo ante as of 2019, just as India had been insisting. Indian actions in the south were to secure that status quo,

BTW, I am pretty sure you aren't aware that before Indian actions on the southern bank, China insisted taht India vacate Dhan Singh Thapa as a condition to disengagement? That is because China's 1959 line is beyond finger 4. Finger 4 was the agreed LAC in 1992,

 

[Nobonita Barua]

I thought how would you know, you are only a 'new member' here. Then I check your profile. You have been here nearly 10 years but less than 20 posts. Wow. That's some lurking around! Just saying.

They like to "watch" :-D These are the colonized convicts we saved from Britons who still want to be part of British empire.
Their "protests" against Britons were "unarmed " protests, lol.
And they talk about razakars while licking feet of their American masters.

It's the same syndrome, calling China "commie " while begging from soviets.

Colonized convicts could never figure out what form of story they want to say :-D

 

[Nobonita Barua]

You cant even map dude. :lol:

Entirety of Depsang plains is located east of Y-Junction in Ladakh as can be seen in this map by US governments NOAA.

And you "mapped" from US government?

 

[twineedle]

Indians can say they never wanted F4 to F8 from the beginning but that's not true. India's claims have always been and they never offered a compromise deal whereas China was always after the compromise deal with China's claim to finger 3 being an intentional stretch into what it never really expected just so that Indians see the Chinese compromise deal as being more reasonable. Personally I don't consider China's claims as being reasonable or justified as much as some will disagree. This is the very edge of Tibet but both nations understandably care about their sovereignty claims regardless of how people may feel and think about them.

Modern China maintaining the claim to finger 3/4 is now useful as a means of pressing up against India. Many of India's major population centres and industry areas are very close to these disputed regions. It's as bad as the US getting sovereignty of North Korea and placing military installations there. While I think China's claims here are done more for those strategic concerns than for feeling genuine attachment to the land (ridiculous idea), I can understand why China would want to do this as much as I can understand India wanting to take over Kashmir and create greater separation and distance under which they control.

Obviously india does care about finger 8, which is why the claim is stil there as Rajnath Singh said. But for India it is more important for China to not be there than for India to be there.

 

[Oldschool]

Probably the same reason as to why China didn't hold South Tibet.

While Depsang Plains would be in China's claim, it has chose not to physically control it as it could be a hard to defend area. China can be seen taking the nearest defendable position.

China controls eastern side of Depsang plain. This makes no sense! The border should be pushed all the way to base of big mountain range.

Below diagram shows Depsang plain above the yellow pin or murgo. And part of eastern Depsang plain is inside China boundary.

Why leave western side of the plain to India? It makes little sense.

The border should be set along the base of mountain range.