Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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plawolf

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The best thing about China’s sanctions is that they were announced after those officials had left office, and before they took up new employment.

That meant they were powerless to retaliate against China by abusing the power of their office, nor could they play their trump card of claiming employers are cowed by Chinese threats since no one has hired them yet.

It’s hard to get companies to fire people with overt pressure, since they will worry about boycotts and backlash from customer if they are seen to kowtow to China. However, you can hardly sue someone for not hiring you even if you 100% know the reason they are not doing so is because of Chinese sanctions. Because the company could come up with any number of reasons as to why they want someone else, or doesn’t need the role you wanted to apply for any more.

While American officials, and politicians especially, are world class BSers and shittalkers publicly; Chinese bureaucrats are world beaters at coming up with ways to screw you raw without you even realising anyone was even after you.

I think the big difference is that in the past, China applied its payback in the purist form as it is practiced in Chinese governments since time immemorial, so it was almost impossible for outsiders (or even the victim) to see what was being done to them, as it was intended. For these Trumpist officials, China deliberately let its hand show just enough so that every other American politician can see the personal cost of going out of your way to piss off China as a warning for others to think twice about following their example.

This change in strategy is prompted both by the extremeness of the offences committed by the targeted Americans, but also as a result of growing Chinese power and the open rift between China and America.

Basically, it’s one big message to all American politicians to see that if you cross China’s red lines, China will come after you personally now. So isn’t it better to repair relations and go back to the good old days?
 

Phead128

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One strong reason why a US-China detente is likely is the status of American economy.

You know one this that will significantly boost US GDP growth and get US out of recession? Ending the tariffs and the trade war, which US economists universally agree is a drag on US consumer confidence and consumer spending and imports costs.

That's not even including how China bounced back from pandemic much stronger than ever, every metric in GDP and economy is robust for China, it's not a battle that will be easy to win for Biden, esp. with a recession in US.
 

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Question: According to a news article run by The Wall Street Journal on January 22, China is pushing for a high-level meeting to ease tension with the United States, and Ambassador Cui Tiankai made proposals through letters on Mr. Yang Jiechi, Member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee and Director of the Office of the Central Commission for Foreign Affairs, visiting the United States. Can you confirm this?

Answer:
This is not true. The Chinese side did not write any letters as mentioned in the report. It is hoped that the media outlet carrying this report will respect the facts and cover China-U.S. relations in an objective and responsible way.

Looks like either: 1. The Chinese are lying. OR 2. Someone is gonna get their side pay from the CIA cut.

This is actually pretty sad if the Chinese weren't lying. If true, this reminds me a lot of how the Indian media kept predicting that PLA troops are suffering and will soon withdraw from Ladakh -- a classical example of projection.
 

broadsword

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This is actually pretty sad if the Chinese weren't lying. If true, this reminds me a lot of how the Indian media kept predicting that PLA troops are suffering and will soon withdraw from Ladakh -- a classical example of projection.

Hopefully, the WSJ will back up their report.
 

Hendrik_2000

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A sobering conversation with ambassador Chaz Freeman very objective. He said China does not export ideology or looking for popularity aka allies but judge their success based on performance and they deliver the good he said
China is not Soviet Union and waiting her to implode will be futile


Veteran US diplomat Chas Freeman says that despite talk of a New Cold War between the US and China, the US in reality is reacting aggressively to a rising Chinese power whose economic gains threaten US global supremacy. Freeman, who served in top State Department positions and as Richard Nixon's chief interpreter on his historic 1972 visit to China, discusses the state of US-China relations and flashpoints such as Hong Kong, Taiwan, and the repression of Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang. "Since around 1870, we have been the preeminent society on the planet -- the wealthiest and technologically most advanced, the most influential. And China's overtaking us," Freeman says. "So there's a psychological issue here. The good deal of what we're doing is better explained by psychology than by statecraft. China does threaten American economic supremacy, may have already passed us in many ways...

Whether that's a threat or not depends on your perceptions. We've chosen to treat it as a national security or a military threat. It'll be very good for the military industrial complex for a while." Guest: Chas Freeman. Veteran U.S. diplomat and public servant who has served in many senior positions, including as Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs, U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Director for Chinese Affairs at the U.S. Department of State, and as the principal US interpreter during President Nixon’s historic visit to China in 1972.
 
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